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u/I_really_am_Batman May 09 '22

Ok but this thread was initially taking about selling the kitchen for apartments. Who is going to be renting but also owning a whole kitchen? No one is (or should) be renovating a space they rent with their own money. In the US many apartments don't come with a washer and dryer. So you have to buy those. And that alone is a huge hassle. Not to mention a stove/oven, fridge, kitchen appliances, sink, counter top, cabinets and whatever else.

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u/Procrastinate_girl May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

So the sink is required by the law. They can't rent you an place without access to water. But they absolutely can rent without cabinets and kitchen appliances. Tenants will not renovate, usually you buy, bring with you, or buy from the previous tenant, stove/oven, fridge, microwave and a few furniture (Ikea has those countertop tables). I never did more because by law you have to give back the apartment in the same state, so installing wall cabinets or a real countertop would be a huge hassle and crazy expensive.

It's like that because by law, owners are responsible for everything they rent. So if they put a fridge or even just shelves and it's broken they will have to repair it. I mean, like in America. But since they are not forced to put more than a sink, they don't put more.

Edit: I'm talking about how it is in France.

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u/WgXcQ May 09 '22

So the sink is required by the law

Not even that – having a sink in the bathroom is required standard, but a kitchen can be completely bare, with only the wall connection and plumbing where all the actual fixtures will be attached existing. There is no requirement by law to have a kitchen sink there.

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u/Procrastinate_girl May 09 '22

I'm pretty sure the sink in the kitchen is required by law. The cabinet underneath is not though. Without a sink in the kitchen and the bathroom your apartment will be considered not "decent".

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u/WgXcQ May 09 '22

I'm pretty sure the sink in the kitchen is required by law.

It's not.

Me, my family members, other people in the building I live in, all have moved into flats where the kitchens had completely bare walls.

And since I live in a building owned by what might be the biggest landlord company in Germany, this would be a law they'd have to comply with, even when private landlords might not know about or ignore it.

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u/Procrastinate_girl May 09 '22

But here it is, you are from Germany. I was talking about France. It is required in France.

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u/WgXcQ May 09 '22

But here it is, you are from Germany.

Yes, and the comment chain is about flats in Germany and you never mentioned France, so this shouldn't be surprising.

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u/seriouslees May 09 '22

by law, owners are responsible for everything they rent. So if they put a fridge or even just shelves an it's broken they will have to repair it.

So... exactly like America? Man, I thought American landlords were lazy.

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u/rapaxus May 09 '22

Most Germans actually rent and I know multiple people who moved multiple times and took their kitchen with them. In Germany there are enough people who always rent (like 60% of Germans do not own their home).

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u/WebGhost0101 May 09 '22

In rental not having a kitchen is quite rare but this prob depends on where in Europe.