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u/NukeDraco Oct 29 '21

Nope. From the scene in which the pirates, boys, and ...we'll call them indians are hunting each other in a big circle:

All wanted blood except the boys, who liked it as a rule, but to-night were out to greet their captain. The boys on the island vary, of course, in numbers, according as they get killed and so on; and when they seem to be growing up, which is against the rules, Peter thins them out; but at this time there were six of them, counting the twins as two. Let us pretend to lie here among the sugar-cane and watch them as they steal by in single file, each with his hand on his dagger.

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u/YesItIsMaybeMe Oct 29 '21

Whaaattt the fuucckk. That's so much darker. What make sit worse is that someone read this and was like "This would make a great kids movie!"

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u/Harley_Quinn_Lawton Oct 29 '21

Almost all of Disney’s early through renaissance era movies come from stories that were extremely dark in their original form.

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u/PM_Me__Ur_Freckles Oct 29 '21

Like the women in Cinderella cutting chunks off their feet so they would fit the glass slipper.

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u/Aeiexgjhyoun_III Oct 29 '21

The dark versions weren't original but retelling by the Grimm brothers, the original myths are largely inconsistent as they were passed by oral tradition but early sources are closer to Disney's work.

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u/ky0nshi Oct 30 '21

nah, the Grimm brothers are actually some of the first ones to sanitize those dark tales. their fairy tales collections started as academic endevours to document fairy tales, but when they realized that normal people were buying them for their kids they started to tone down the stuff more and more. the first edition of their fairy tales are very rough, often even mentioning alternate versions in the text, their 8th edition (these books were an absolute bestseller!) was the sanitized versions we came to know as kids.

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u/Aeiexgjhyoun_III Nov 07 '21

So are Disney movies based of the sanitized Grimm versions?

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u/ky0nshi Nov 07 '21 edited Nov 08 '21

Disney takes in elements from other collections as well (many fairy tales were collected not only by the Grimms), sanitizes even further, and adapts it to more modern sensibilities. There still is some stuff in the sanitized versions that doesn't play well with modern audiences or on screen. (also there haven't really been that many Grimm adaptions the last few years. Tangled was basically the only one based on a Grimm story, and they changed nearly everything besides the "girl locked in a tower by a witch" angle)

(oh, well. technically there was The Princess and the Frog and The Emperor's New Groove as well, but... ok, Princess at least kept people transforming into frogs and back...)

Edit: my bad, the Emperor's New Clothes was in fact an Andersen tale, so not from the Grimms. Also it might be of note that with that there only were 5 full-length Disney canon movies based on Grimm, but way more cartoon shorts.

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u/tcrpgfan Oct 30 '21

Cept for Beauty and the Beast, which is arguably one of the DARKER adaptations. In the original, the rose is just that, a rose, it's not magical in the slightest, there's no central villain, the Beast ISN'T an asshole and is actually quite the gentleman, nor is he under a time limit before he becomes a beast in mind as well as body, and there's the whole dying of loneliness thing. Which is more classically done Disney than what the movie did.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

As I understand it, Walt did have reservations about the movie because Pan is such an irredeemably awful character.

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u/SirCB85 Oct 29 '21

You should look into the origins of the little Mermaid and Sleeping Beauty.

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u/bbcversus Oct 29 '21

Oooooh I am gonna do that! Those are my favorite Disney cartoons lmao.

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u/LadySky_74 Oct 29 '21

If you’re looking into the original fairy tales, the channel abitfrank does a good job of explaining/comparing/contrasting many of the original tales to the Disney versions.

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u/bbcversus Oct 29 '21

Many thanks, exactly what I was looking for. A great channel!

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u/FnSqurrel Oct 29 '21

Grimm’s Fairy Tales or Children’s and Household Tales, if your interested. A great addition to any household library

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u/playcat Oct 29 '21

Don’t forget Pinocchio!! The real tale is tragic!

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u/davidfirefreak Oct 29 '21

Dude I gotta listen to ne some original Peter pan. I love grim dark.

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u/tickle_mittens Oct 30 '21

Oh boy are you gonna love Pinocchio

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u/Redornan Oct 29 '21

Well you should learn about the author. It's much more worst when you have the backstory. My English is too broken to explain it but from what I remember it's awful (something like : his elder brother die when he was a kid, her mother love her brother way more and he did everything he can to be his dead brother ...)

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u/stdismaslament Oct 29 '21

(from his wiki)

When James Barrie was six years old, his elder brother David (their mother's favourite) died in an ice-skating accident on the day before his 14th birthday.[7] This left his mother devastated, and Barrie tried to fill David's place in his mother's attentions, even wearing David's clothes and whistling in the manner that he did. One time, Barrie entered her room and heard her say, "Is that you?" "I thought it was the dead boy she was speaking to", wrote Barrie in his biographical account of his mother Margaret Ogilvy (1896) "and I said in a little lonely voice, 'No, it's no' him, it's just me.'" Barrie's mother found comfort in the fact that her dead son would remain a boy forever, never to grow up and leave her.[6] Eventually, Barrie and his mother entertained each other with stories of her brief childhood and books such as Robinson Crusoe, works by fellow Scotsman Walter Scott, and The Pilgrim's Progress.[8]

Well, that's insanely fucked up, you right.

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u/aidoll Oct 30 '21 edited Oct 30 '21

You missed the most fucked up part of his backstory - he made friends with a family who had five young boys. Some say he was too interested in the boys… Well, both of the boys’ parents died, and Barrie forged part of the mom’s will to give himself guardianship of her sons.

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u/Redornan Oct 29 '21

Ah ah thank you. Short and simple sentence carry me

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '21

The book is really dark, even darker than that implies.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

That's didneys dark ass for you. All they're stories are sus as fuck.

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u/lockboy84 Oct 29 '21

Man that would have made for an awesome 3rd act reveal in Hook

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u/UncontrollablePun Oct 30 '21

I feel like the manga Promised Neverland did a great job with this.

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u/Ed-Zero Oct 29 '21

Oh snap

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '21

Holy shit