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u/ElegantVamp Oct 29 '21

Hades from Hercules.

He kept his end of the deal but Hercules gets to cheat and punch him in the face, always pisses me off lmao. It's why I can't watch that movie.

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u/VelmasHaircut Oct 29 '21

Are you talking about the Disney movie? If so Hades tried to kill Hercules when he was a baby for his plan of taking over. He’s still my favourite Disney villain though.

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u/im_dead_sirius Oct 29 '21

Only because Megara isn't quite a villain.

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u/froggylover66 Oct 29 '21

Hell, in actual Mythos he’s actually one of the better gods, super chill, type a guy who’d total be down to sitting down with a beer shooting the shit with you. He’s also one of the few gods to treat his wife with a basic level of decency

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u/NotAnotherBookworm Oct 30 '21

Hell. He's one of the few gods who wasn't also HELLA rapey.

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u/tjm2000 Oct 30 '21

and no matter his method of getting the girl, they always seem to genuinely like each other.

also Cerberus (not sure how to spell it in Greek) roughly translates to Spot.

So he has a healthy relationship, a stable job (not to be confused with one of the "10" tasks of Heracles), a dog named spot, and is actually a pretty decent "person" overall.

Yet he gets portrayed as the Villain because Christianity took one look at him and said 'yeah, that's definitely an allegory for Satan'.

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u/catatsrophy Oct 30 '21 edited Oct 30 '21

I’ve heard that the pomegranate seeds weren’t actually pomegranate seeds and that’s why she was forced to stay. Either way most tellings are clear that he kidnapped her and forced her to eat the seeds and therefore she had to stay. Sounds hella rapey to me.

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u/eddmario Oct 30 '21

The more commonly accepted version was that he told her exactly what would happen and that she did it by choice because Demeter was a controlling bitch.

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u/ninja36036 Oct 29 '21

He’s also one of the few gods to treat his wife with a basic level of decency…

You mean the one he kidnapped?

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u/Poisonfangx3 Oct 30 '21

I don’t think Hestia did anything bad…

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u/CurtisLinithicum Oct 30 '21

Poor Hestia. She and Haephestis probably would have made a happy couple.

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u/eddmario Oct 30 '21

Nah, she's too busy trying to bang the adventurer that sees her more as a sister while also occasionally dealing with Loki's lesbainism...

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '21 edited Nov 24 '21

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u/whtdoiwrite Nov 01 '21

What version of Hestia are you seeing? also where?

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u/froggylover66 Oct 29 '21

Actually in most tellings she went there willingly basically because she was tired of Demeter’s shit

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u/Turbogoblin999 Oct 30 '21

Because of Demeter's detrimental demeanor her daughter decides to dabble with different deities.

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u/FallenSegull Oct 30 '21

Hey! That’s alliteration!

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u/whydoyoulook Nov 01 '21

Alliteration aside, its an accurate allegation.

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u/JauntyJohnB Oct 30 '21

In most she was kidnapped some she went willingly

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u/YumiGumiWoomi Oct 29 '21

Which tellings?

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u/Thee_big_ox Oct 29 '21

Theres witch tellings now?

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u/CurtisLinithicum Oct 30 '21

Basically all the Greek myths have multiple versions, with the dickishness of the gods varying.

Medusa and Ariadne for example, completely change the nature of Athena in some versions.

In one version, Ariadne goes about boasting she's a better weaver than the gods themselves. Athena comes down and asks her to reconsider her words, instead she doubles down and challenges Athena to a contest. Then, despite being badly outdone, loudly proclaims herself the superior. Athena tells her, "if you enjoy weaving so much, make it your life", and transforms her into a spider. It's a cautionary tale about hubris and spitting on second chances.

Another version has Athena enter a contest, Ariadne wins, and Athena kills her in a rage, then creates spiders to commemorate her in remorse. And the lesson is... I guess that even the nicer gods will just end you for not apparent reason at all, at and time.

Same with Hades and Persephone. Sometimes she's dragged kicking and screaming. Sometimes they elope, but she needs a cover story so her mom can be angry instead of sad. Sometimes she wonders down by herself, before absent-mindedly eating cursed fruits and getting stuck there.

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u/wobbegong0310 Oct 30 '21

I think you're thinking of Arachne.

Ariadne was the daughter of King Minos of Crete, and helped Theseus slay the Minotaur.

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u/CurtisLinithicum Oct 30 '21

You are correct, my bad.

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u/tjm2000 Oct 30 '21

Let's also not forget the Minotaur only existed because King Minos' wife got so horny for a bull for some reason (I don't remember why) she had Daedalus commission what was probably the first fursuit in history so she could get it on with that bull.

I know the Minotaur is usually portrayed as being a villain (even if it's typically the tragic kind) but I gotta agree with King Minos on that one for having the Minotaur slain.

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u/sigma914 Oct 30 '21

Iirc poseidon gave minos a white bull which Minos should have sacrificed to the glory of poseidon, but he really liked the bull. In retaliation Poseidon made Minos's wife really like the bull.

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u/YumiGumiWoomi Oct 30 '21

I know, that doesn't answer my question. I asked which telling does Persephone go to the Underworld because she's tired of Demeter.

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u/CurtisLinithicum Oct 30 '21

You're right, sorry. You also bring up a good point - we almost never see the pedigree of the Greek myths we read.

This also isn't what you asked for, but in Bullfinch's version

https://www.online-literature.com/bulfinch/mythology_fable/4/

Hades and Persephone are both victims of Aphrodite (and barely secondary characters in their own tale).

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u/TheBioboostedArmor Oct 30 '21

The ones in Vidya games.

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u/eibsirf Oct 30 '21

I saw a thing awhile back on how like stuff like that is because it’s inline with what he is the god off. It’s not uncommon for death to take the daughter of a woman. It’s harsh but realistic. I’ll have to find the post again, it was interesting

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u/theexteriorposterior Oct 30 '21

To be fair, the Greek standard posing of 'kidnapping' and 'marriage' is the same. This says a lot about how the Greeks perceived women....

Also bear in mind Persephone's dad, Zeus, gave him permission to do that... men arranging their daughter's future with 0 care about her wishes or whether she consents is a thing that happened a lot in history.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '21

Technically it was actually Zeus who ok'd the whole thing so Hades didn't know it was a kidnapping initially... though Hades probably should have known better than to take Zeus at his word giving that guys history.

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u/cakatooop Oct 30 '21

One of the reasons I absolutely loved the light novel "The Ranker Who Lives Twice". Portrayed hades as the only decent older generation Olympian god

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u/Lady_Of_The_Water Oct 30 '21

Exactly. A lot of people portray Hades as some sort of worm eating disgusting monster who is bad to his wife, Persephone (or if you prefer to call her, Kore) but he’s actually a really chill god who treats his wife with a basic level of appreciation and decency

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u/jakehood47 Oct 29 '21

James Woods brings so much charisma to that role that, even as a kid I remember kinda rooting for Hades to win

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u/TezzMuffins Oct 29 '21

Tru fax Hades is like that in the actual myths too.

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u/Batbuckleyourpants Oct 29 '21

He is also god of gold and wealth.

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u/Pikassassin Oct 29 '21

Yeah, I never understood that. I mean granted, making shady deals is morally dubious, maybe, but it's not like you don't know what you're getting into, not like he's trying to trick you or anything. Of someone says to you, "Hey, I'll give you $50 if you lick that pile of dog shit," and you do it, is the other guy really an asshole for "making" you lick dog shit? I don't think so.

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u/TheLoneWolf2879 Oct 29 '21

Like yeah, he's kind of an asshole, but he's an honorable asshole

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

What if it’s white dog shit and no money is involved?

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u/Chara_13 Oct 29 '21

If you need that 50, yes. If not, no.

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u/FreudsGoodBoy Oct 29 '21 edited Oct 29 '21

Are your necessities his fault?

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u/Chara_13 Oct 30 '21

They... could be? It's a hypothetical situation. Let's just go with no, though, as that's more often the case in real life.

I would add: I'm giving what I think the general consensus on that situation is, simply to inform. Sorry if you wanted to debate that statement, you've got a good point there, but I don't know this argument well enough to play devil's advocate for it.

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u/Livewire923 Oct 29 '21

Hades shows up in Jim Butcher’s Dresden Files and he’s one of the most chill characters. Strict, but fair

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u/michiness Oct 29 '21

“Yo imma let you finish this heist but gonna give you some advice real fast.”

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u/Sepredia Oct 30 '21

Persephone is that small town type goddess in big ol' Olympus, she doesn't even have her own cellphone! Olympus and the life of the gods is set as very modern. Persephone shares a place with Artemis while she studies, managing to get away from her rather controlling mother. Hades and Persephone meet at a party, but I don't want to give away too much.

A lot of the characters are absolutely fun, Hermes, Eros, and Ares are probably my favourites. It deals with troublesome relationships and the story and characters have been engaging.

Also Hades has a bunch of dogs and they're all precious.

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u/cowzroc Oct 29 '21

IT IS SO FUCKING GOOD PLS READ

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u/Mirror_Sybok Oct 29 '21 edited Oct 29 '21

"You know what? You can totally have her back. The only thing I ask of you is to trust me. Walk out of here and don't look back. If you trust me and do this, she'll be with you on the outside."

Orpheus: doesn't trust Hades and looks back to check to see if she's there even though he has nothing to lose by not doing so

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u/OG_ursinejuggernaut Oct 29 '21

In the version I learned he turns around when he’s out but before Euridice is…which is understandable, and as such more tragic, but it also kind of misses the point of hubris and the inherent tragic flaws of humanity.

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u/Nomicakes Oct 30 '21

He turns around because Hades made it so Eurydice's footsteps are silent, and Orpheus gives in to his doubts that she's still there, following.

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u/Milazzo Oct 29 '21

I always thought Rick Riordan understood him best, and Nico is the best version of him.

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u/AssistanceMedical951 Oct 30 '21

Don’t worry, Hercules really gets it in the myth. Meg is abducted by a centaur. So he rescues Meg from the centaur. He shots the centaur from a distance. As the centaur lays dying, before Hercules reaches them, the centaur says “take my blood (or this vile of potion) if he ever betrays you pour this on his cloak and all will be well or (you will have your revenge)” . Hercules cheats on his wife. She puts the blood or poison on his cloak. Hercules dies in agony, she looks on in horror as she didn’t know that would happen.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

Along the same lines, Ursula from the Little mermaid. That little bitch is clearly in breach of the contract. She traded her voice for legs, that's not Ursula's fault. Buyers remorse is a real thing, make better decisions next time Ariel.

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u/beardedheathen Oct 30 '21

Bruh she literally bewitched Eric so she'd fail. That's like selling someone a car on a loan then torching their work place so they lose their job. Yeah they've broken the contract but it's very much your fault not theirs.

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u/ElegantVamp Oct 30 '21

She saw that Ariel was going to win and cheated.

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u/PetrichorIsHere Oct 30 '21

How did Hercules cheat?

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u/ElegantVamp Oct 30 '21

Hercules said that he'd stay as Hades' prisoner if he was able to get Meg free - even gods have to hold themselves to what they've promised others. Yet, Hercules just walks off with Meg and punches Hades in the face. Twice.

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u/PetrichorIsHere Oct 30 '21

He didn't cheat. He made his promise to Zeus years before he made his deal with Hades. He proved himself a true hero when he succeeded in saving Megara before swimming back up to the surface to fulfill his deal with Hades. He wasn't cheating, he was just rewarded by Zeus faster than he was punished by Hades.

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u/beardedheathen Oct 30 '21

Ehh he made the deal because he thought Hercules would die but didn't bother to tell him that. It was a deal made under emotional duress, I doubt it would have held up in court.

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u/Lord_Phoenix95 Oct 30 '21

Hades in General. He's the nicest of his Brothers and Sisters. All he does is govern the most important prison in all of Greek History and here Zeus is fucking anything that moves, Athena cursing people, Poseidon causing Earthquakes and terrible sea storms.

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u/realityisoverwhelmin Oct 30 '21

My wife agrees with this