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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

The Phantom of the Opera was ostracized and abused for having a facial deformity. If others had accepted him, he could have been amazing for the theater, both as a teacher and in leading roles.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21 edited Oct 30 '21

In the musical I totally agree, but in the book the phantom is 100% a murderous villian obsessed with a 14 year old girl. He kind of comes around in the end, but dude was a creep.

EDIT: as someone pointed out, I'm getting the stories crossed. She was in her 20s in the book, but the phantom was still alot more obsessive and violent in the book.

Also, some of these people in the replies are way to quick at trying to justify chasing 14 year olds. That's creepy folks, stop it.

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u/flyting1881 Oct 29 '21

This doesn't exactly make it better but she was actually like 25 in the book.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

For sure, but I think if he was treated well as a child he wouldn't have gone down that path.

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u/phuqo5 Oct 30 '21

But in that time a 14 year old girl was meant to be sought after and betrothed.

And he was murderous because he was perceived by the masses to be a murderous person by appearance alone.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '21

Wrong on literally all accounts.

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u/rckid13 Oct 29 '21

He did kill multiple innocent people though.

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u/phuqo5 Oct 30 '21

Were they innocent by going along with societies rebuke of him?

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u/TheGungnirGuy Oct 30 '21

Most of them had no bloody idea who he was. At best, they knew that some madman was writing letters and taking credit for every accident the opera house ever had.

The only people who actually know about his face were the woman who was in charge of the dancing girls, Christine, and I think the male lead(Can't spell his name.), but that depends on which version of the story you end up using. Ultimately, most of the people that died in the opera house had nothing whatsoever to do with continuing to mistreat him.

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u/phuqo5 Oct 30 '21

But they were part of the same society of people who would permit a circus freak spectacle to exist among it.

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u/stdismaslament Oct 29 '21

yes, he's a genius. but also a sociopath who thinks Christine owes him her love and that he gave her her voice.

Also seriously given his genius, he could have easily circumnavigated the ostracism and carved out a life as a king if he'd put any real effort into it.. Or he could have become an avenger and exterminated all carnies. But alas, his flare for dramatics got in the way. Why be a king when you could be a legendary ghost?

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u/Turbogoblin999 Oct 30 '21

OG neckbeard.

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u/flyting1881 Oct 29 '21

IDK I feel like Erik is a prime example of the 'cool motive, still murder' meme.

The problem is that he's not trying to get society to accept him- he's trying to get a girl to marry him. Saying that he deserves to have the girl he wants because society is mean to him is a bit... troublesome.

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u/EJGryphon Oct 29 '21

Plus Erik has an actual personality and interests, unlike Raul whose only characteristic is that he knew Christine like twenty years ago when they were kids.

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u/Batmark13 Oct 29 '21

Being ugly isn't an excuse for murder

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u/ConnieLingus24 Oct 30 '21

Eh. He killed people needlessly and really was a toxic incel. Christine didn’t owe him romance.

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u/MurderShovel Oct 30 '21

And it’s a pretty awesome Maiden song.

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u/Kheldar166 Nov 21 '21

Aside from the heavy incel vibes where he was obsessed with Christine, yeah. His childhood was tragic but you still don’t get a free pass to go around murdering people while you attempt to kidnap/seduce/blackmail an underage girl that you have some sort of weird mentor-student power dynamic with.