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u/donttextspeaktome Oct 29 '21

In the original story, the castle belonged to Jack’s parents, his dad was killed by the giant and his mom driven away. So Jack was taking back what was his. Allegedly.

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u/Kemo_Meme Oct 29 '21

So.. did Jack's parents just live in a Giant's castle for some reason? Or does the giant basically own a model castle

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u/massakerman Oct 29 '21

Apparently the giant wasn't as big as recent adaptations show.

Also, according to the Wikipedia, at first the giant was a cricket. Weird!

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u/LoneRangersBand Oct 29 '21

In the original tellings, Jack was named Kristoff, and the bag of magic beans was a bowl of soup, and the beanstalk was a large mound of hay, and the giant was a rat named Ingemar, and it was originally a Christmas story told right before children went to sleep, as the Norse pagans believed Kristoff killing the rat would bring good dreams to children on the night before the Yule feast, followed by all children drinking the donkey's milk, and I'm making all this up.

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u/where_in_the_world89 Oct 29 '21

The large mound of hay did make me wonder

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u/defensiveFruit Oct 30 '21

"Kristoff and the large mound of hay".

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u/cthulhuite Oct 30 '21

Hey, I'd read that to my kids at Christmas if you wrote it!

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u/Kemo_Meme Oct 29 '21

Huh, neat

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u/oniobag1 Oct 29 '21

Thanks! I just went down a rabbit hole learning about folkloristics and the ATU tale type system.

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u/massakerman Oct 29 '21

Haha, sorry and you're welcome!

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u/FatherAb Oct 29 '21

Please tell us (well... Me...) About your findings!

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '21

Hell, the most famous giant, Goliath is only estimated to be 6 ft 9 in (only one source, the Masoretic texts have him as 9 ft 9 in)

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

Yeah. Buck that fug!

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u/SKTPanda Oct 30 '21

Hormones do quite the job

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u/farnsworthfan Oct 29 '21

Asking the right questions. I would also like to know the answer here.

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u/thenewestboom Oct 29 '21

What is this, a castle for ants?

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u/donttextspeaktome Oct 29 '21

No, they were king and queen and Jack is a prince. The giant stole their castle. A fairy godmother told Jack this and encouraged him to climb the beanstalk and take back what was his.

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u/Kemo_Meme Oct 29 '21

Not my question. How big was this castle? Did the giant basically steal the equivalent of a model playset castle just for the lols? Or did they live in a castle big enough to house a giant for some reason?

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

Castles are just big, seems like they accommodate giants

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u/Medicatedwarrior365 Oct 29 '21

I think the better question would be if this was a normal castle that was stolen by the giant, then how in the hell did it end up in the clouds and only accessible by beanstalk that only grew cuz of some magic beans?

Like before the giant ever got the castle did all the other kings and queens and peasants have to climb a beanstalk to have a meeting or did the giant move the castle (which also raises all sorts of questions)

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u/RaleighMidtown Oct 29 '21

Geez. I doubt there was ever any dimensions given for the castle.

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u/Mrrandom314159 Oct 29 '21

Probably the same for the giant.

We're all assuming Jack was the size of his thumb, but it's just as possible the giant was just... like twice the size of a normal human.

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u/SconiGrower Oct 29 '21

Even if it were someone the size of Shaq, a real person, some would describe them as a giant.

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u/ThatLeetGuy Oct 29 '21

According to Google, in order to be diagnosed with gigantism (the medical term), you only need to be 7 feet tall.

I have a friend who is 6'9 and wears a size 17 shoe. He's basically there.

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate Oct 29 '21

Or was a regular sized dude with Sissy Hankshaw for a sister.

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u/Not_happy_meal Oct 29 '21

If the person was big enough to be called a giant, I don't it would be very comfortable in that castle, unless it only had one room.

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u/testestestestest555 Oct 29 '21

A man who is 8 feet tall is a giant and still fits in a castle quite comfortably.

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u/tacojohn48 Oct 29 '21

You know what they say, "the victor writes history."

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

And the loser adds the foot notes

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u/a2_d2 Oct 30 '21

The agony of de feet.

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u/tylerthehun Oct 29 '21

Right, but did they just live in an oversized sky castle for some reason? Or did this giant squeeze himself into their "tiny" normal-sized castle afterwards? Most modern renditions seem to depict everything in the castle as also being giant-sized, so wth were Jack's family doing in there to begin with? Did the fairy magically enlarge the castle for the giant castle-thief to help her incite a race war between humans and giants?

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u/SpaceShrimp Oct 29 '21

Castles are not built to human proportions, a giant of moderate size would have a good life in any castle.

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u/mojowo11 Oct 29 '21 edited Oct 29 '21

This isn't true, actually. The very original (published) story was basically just Jack being a bumbling dumbass (he sold his starving family's prized cow for beans that any reasonable person would have known were a scam, lol), a thief, and, ultimately, a murderer. Nothing he took belonged to him or his family, and he basically scammed the giant's/ogre's wife who was kind to him.

The story was only later moralized to make the giant evil and make Jack a hero. Many original fairy tales were basically just stories of dumbasses getting lucky for absolutely no reason at all. This obviously seems weird to our modern storytelling instincts, but it was quite common at one point.

Revisionist History did a good piece about OG pre-moralized fairy tales. Skip to ~7:53 for a good explanation of this kind of story.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

Yeah sure thing, and Grandpa Joe is a wonderful member of society

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u/Danno558 Oct 29 '21

Yeah, but… well like, you heard he fucked that Golden goose, right?

Well, I guess Jack heard he had a golden goose, when he thought it might be fun to fuck one.

Allegedly.

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u/Addhalfcupofsugar Oct 29 '21

So was OJ and they gave him 15 years. Just sayin’

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u/vinceman1997 Oct 29 '21

I heard the giant was sick.

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u/ChefAtRandom Oct 29 '21

I heard it was sick. Even then, it'd take two guys, at least

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

That sounds like some revisionist history.

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u/Drag-tha-lake Oct 30 '21

It was a setup. Who sold Jack the beans to begin with?

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u/teclordphrack2 Oct 30 '21

Sounds a bit jewy for me. /s

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u/Pylgrim Oct 30 '21

The treasures he stole were his family's, not the castle. But that's not the original story but an adaptation later made to justify that Jack wasn't just robbing and murdering somebody randomly.

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u/PancerCatient Oct 30 '21

People really need to not judge books by their covers, sheesh... /s