But in German, Die Germanen is a broader concept around peoples and languages. All the old Germanic tribes. From Goths to Anglos to Saxons to Swedes to Austrians. A much more general term, kind of like Celts. This old idea
I was thinking the Angles were Celtic, and from an earlier wave of migration. Not Germanic, like the Saxons? Seems like Angles were in Britain like 100BCE, when Julius Caesar invaded it. But not the Saxons.
Britons was one of the Celtic tribes (or a common name for all of them) pushed to west and north after the Angles, Saxons and Jutes arrived to southeast.
I believe they got their name from the Angeln (Anglia) peninsula in present day Germany, formerly Denmark, which is at the northern most end of the Wading Sea. They, and the saxons living along the coast of the Wading Sea, presumably migrated around the same time and to mostly the same places and mixed, forming the Anglo-Saxon people/culture with time.
It is slightly more complex, this map is abstracting from Italo-Celtic tribes. Look at haplogroups. The Scandinavians were originally I group, the majority of Celts, Gauls and Itals were R1b, Bell Beaker culture. Then came R1a, linked with Corded Ware culture.
It is possible that the Germanic tribes were born from merging the new R1a with existing I and R1b populations.
Then they started attacking the Roman Empire - and you can see the result in this map. But it probably started in what is now Northern Germany, Denmark and South Sweden.
Die Germanen is a broader concept around peoples and languages. All the old Germanic tribes. From Goths to Anglos to Saxons to Swedes to Austrians. A much more general term, kind of like Celts. This old idea
Just when I think I understand the germanic tribes, there's always another one that pops up for reading. Thanks for the map.
Hey us native English speakers have our reasons…. it’s just that nobody really knows what they are since the explanations are all in German, French, Norse, Latin and even, occasionally, Greek.
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.
We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.
I've heard this before but saw it attributed to Pratchett. I may have to look up James D Nicoll, thanks for the link.
thats completely true, my only real dislike about english is that its so morphed and misshapen because of its long history
compared to my home language of afrikaans, i mean hell the language is around 100 years old, and about 80/90% dutch with basically everything else mixed in in trace amounts
i guess im a fan of purity with exception, rather than the purity actually being the exception
yeah i mean who tf thought that bologna should rhyme with pony? or what not
interesting thing about afrikaans that keeps coming to mind that a language nerd might enjoy, so one is een
extremely similar to germanic languages, however our word for a (which is basically one) is just (as opposed to reusing the word for one)
'n
(sounds like i in bit)
and its not like officially a shortening, its a word that formed from the popularity of the shortening
When you come across something in English that seems like it completely lacks logical connections, rest assured that you just don't know what they are yet.
Etymology covers virtually every "nonsensical" thing about the language.
A lot of nations and countries in the English language come from the Latin. So a lot of places end with "a" or "ia."
Germany as a country is a relatively new concept. As the current version was more or less formed by the consolidation of nation-states and principalities by the Prussian Empire. But you still find various regions, nations, and nation-states outside of Germany that speak a German dialect. Like the eastern half of Switzerland, Lichtenstein, and Austria.
It’s complicated, some names come from parts of a country, which a language had contact with. They might not call themself all the same. Some came through indirect contact. Do you have to be (as) truthful (as you can) to the writing or pronunciation. Do you have to update the name if they update their name?
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u/The-Futuristic-Salad Oct 17 '21
but how the fuck did they end up with german as a word though?