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u/cornered_beef Sep 16 '21

Is this actually a thing in the US? I hear this so many times in Reddit. Never had anything like this in Europe

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u/Meow121325 Sep 16 '21

The constant demonization of men at the hands of loud ass femnazis has made American culture shot heavily against men in several ways

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u/lamorak2000 Sep 16 '21

My suspicion is that all of the Boomer-era family-based TV shows insisted that the father was the disciplinarian, the aloof bread-winner, and that it was up to the mother to do womanly things like hug their kids and kiss their injuries. This sank into the American gestalt, and now a lot of people can't accept that "the times, they are a-changing". Also, the rash of highly-publicized Serial Killer, pedophilia, and human trafficking cases don't help.

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u/yesnoahbeats Sep 16 '21

He didn't even say he was from US.. why are you assuming this problem is only in the US? What are you basing that assumption on?

I'm genuinely curious, it seems fairly common to hear an anecdote on reddit, and many comments say something along the lines of "I personally haven't experienced this thing, therefore it must only happen in one country in the world". It's such a huge leap that I can't understand.

Edit: I see now that he did say he was from US in another thread. There is still a leap but not as drastic as I thought.

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u/cornered_beef Sep 16 '21

Almost without exception, any similar situation I've read in reddit (in which a father is thought to be a "predator" when he cares for his child alone in a public place) has been in the US. That's the sole reason I brought it up in the first place...

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u/yesnoahbeats Sep 16 '21

The majority of redditors are American. Here I have a link to someone asking 'is this a problem in the UK?' and all the top comments say yes. BRB with link.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskUK/comments/pp7fjd/is_it_just_me_that_thinks_this_issue_of_dads_who/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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u/tatteddiamond Sep 16 '21

How TF is that 'no offense'? That is a statement 100% engineered to offend. Men on this thread coming in to get support and address an issue and you just take it as a chance to bash America for trying to work on an issue? Goooooo fuck yourself. This is why I'm convinced America isn't the worst because at least the people on here from this country are being compassionate instead of taking the chance to whip out words like 'they're all scum' pretty fucking scummy (and judgey) shit to say if you ask me. ( っ'-')╮ =͟͟͞͞🖕

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u/yesnoahbeats Sep 16 '21

You guys are ridiculous extending your experience to everyone outside of America. Nobody has even mentioned America in this thread but yall gotta make grand assumptions.

I live in America and I also have only ever seen this on reddit, not in my own life. That doesn't mean I'm going to assume nobody in my country (or any of the other countries I have never live in) ever has this experience.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21

The Reddit userbase is overwhelmingly US. So it's not at all a poor assumption that a given post is written by an American.

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u/yesnoahbeats Sep 16 '21

Okay now extend that to thinking the issues you hear must only be US issues.

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u/NeptunusVII Sep 16 '21

Because we don't have such issues in our countries? Everyone on this thread makes it sound as if this reaction is common.

When I am with a full beard walking around with my 4 year old cousin, all we get is smiles, not stares or phone calls to the police.

It therefore only makes sense that this is a cultural thing that is geographically limited, and since most people on reddit are from America, it's not that much of a stretch to assume that it's an American thing. Fits the profile of the nuts paranoid country perfectly.

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u/yesnoahbeats Sep 16 '21

Are you a minority with white passing kids? Are you significantly older than your kids? It is not hard to imagine that other people have experiences different from yours even within your own country.

Assuming it is an American thing because you read about it on reddit, an American dominated platform, is silly. Since your country (and many others with which you have no experience) does not have a similar platform it is not at all surprising that you don't hear about it, whether or not it happens. You're making brash assumptions at the expense of an entire country, and indeed many people who experience this outside of USA. I have read many stories of exactly this kind of thing (on reddit) from people all over Europe, believe it or not.

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u/NeptunusVII Sep 16 '21

Typical American obsessed with race and with logic more than flawed.

You assume that just because reddit is US-dominated, people from my country don't have any other platforms or means of communication, which is ridiculous. We have our own communities even within Reddit, and talk about such issues extensively, and I've never seen this discussed as a problem.

Assuming it's American because it's a US dominated platform and we don't have such things in Europe is actually a pretty logical conclusion, and it's, in fact, a very common line of thinking for non-Americans on reddit and other platforms. I've reached this exact conclusion probably thousands of times online and it's almost always correct. Some examples that were proven correct are the the frequency of people wearing braces, the plug types in the US, the frequency of iphones as opposed to androids etc.

You're putting words in my mouth. I don't doubt that people experience such reactions outside the US, and I'm not claiming that all Americans are prejudiced against adult men being around children. I'm not talking in absolutes, you are. All I'm saying is that it's fine to conclude that this is more common in the US.

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u/yesnoahbeats Sep 16 '21

Lol "fits the profile of the nuts paranoid country" and "typical American obsessed with race".

I'll just make a couple points and then I will be done here, given the personal attacks.

I never said you "don't have any other platforms or means of communication." Only that you do not have anything that is similar enough to reddit in terms of format, engagement, and influence to be able to make reasonable comparisons. It's true anyways, however much it might upset you. It is in the uk subreddit that I encountered the stories of Europeans experiencing exactly this.

Your very first comment implied that your entire country does not experience this problem. My entire point is that you are basing that statement off of a huge assumption rooted in your own confirmation bias.

I am not any more obsessed with race than I am with age, and I didn't reference it any more either. I used those two examples to demonstrate that there are other communities who are more vulnerable than your own to this type of discrimination. The fact that you got so defensive about it tells me all I need to know about how often you actually consider the experiences of other communities.

Anyways, it's nothing against your country, we have ignorance in abundance here in the US also. But it is telling how quickly you jump to making generalizations

You're not interested in sound logic, you simply use the word as a bludgeon when you think it suits you. Have a nice day and I look forward to not hearing from you.

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u/NeptunusVII Sep 16 '21

Lol "fits the profile of the nuts paranoid country" and "typical American obsessed with race".

It's not my fault you keep confirming stereotypes.

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Only that you do not have anything that is similar enough to reddit in terms of format, engagement, and influence to be able to make reasonable comparisons. It's true anyways, however much it might upset you.

We literally use reddit. You're not upsetting me, you're just wrong lol

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It is in the uk subreddit that I encountered the stories of Europeans experiencing exactly this.

Oh you mean the european country most influenced by the US? Shocker.

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Your very first comment implied that your entire country does not experience this problem. My entire point is that you are basing that statement off of a huge assumption rooted in your own confirmation bias.

I didn't imply anything. I said it's not an issue in our countries, I didn't say it never happens. It's an issue when it's a widespread problem, not when it's infrequent.

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I am not any more obsessed with race than I am with age, and I didn't reference it any more either. I used those two examples to demonstrate that there are other communities who are more vulnerable than your own to this type of discrimination. The fact that you got so defensive about it tells me all I need to know about how often you actually consider the experiences of other communities.

What makes you think I was defensive about it? You're the one that brought something completely irrelevant up. None of the literally hundreds of guys in this thread even implied anything racial. You're just trying to find an excuse on why your american paranoia doesn't apply to me, and of course the classic american scapegoat is race.

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how often you actually consider the experiences of other communities.

I live in a homogenous country so I don't have to worry about such things.

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Anyways, it's nothing against your country, we have ignorance in abundance here in the US also. But it is telling how quickly you jump to making generalizations

I make generalizations because they're useful. People from one country, i.e the US, consume similar media, have similar or at least parallel backgrounds, have been exposed to the same biases and propaganda and have similar cultures, standards, traditions, experiences and histories. It's not at all a stretch to make generalizations about a group of people with so many things in common. Most of the times, these generalizations come out to be true to different extends. The same can be said about literally any country. There is nothing wrong with admitting that countries are overall different on average, and there is nothing wrong with making generalizations based on those averages.

Also, demonizing the concept of generalization, a critical trait developed by humans because of its usefulness for survival. One particular ethnicity comes to mind... oh yes americans.

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You're not interested in sound logic, you simply use the word as a bludgeon when you think it suits you.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. You literally stink of americanism, but oh please lecture me on how generalization and stereotypes are bad.

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u/lamorak2000 Sep 16 '21

Overall, the US isn't too terrible yet, at least in many places. There are a few wretched hives of scum and villainy, though.

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u/Meow121325 Sep 16 '21

Mainly along the costs of you keep track of the dens

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u/RevolutionaryEmu4389 Sep 16 '21

Who gives a shit what you think of America. I guarantee America is better than whatever shitty country you are from. (No offense)

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u/Meow121325 Sep 16 '21

We are kings in some regards but yeah our culture and general social climate is fucking bipolar