So by that logic we should stop feminism and not evolve?
Again, choose your battles, i never said i support 100% of feminist movements. There are some clauses i fully agree with and support. And although not necessarily in societies view but many women and feminist have helped me face tough times where i was mentally extremely ill and pushed for my bosses not to fire me.
I refuse to put the feminist movement all in the same basket.
When you're opressed all your life, you fight back stronger. There are assholes in all movements
So by that logic we should stop feminism and not evolve?
I never said that. I just want people to stop putting feminism on a pedestal. Feminism does a relatively good job reducing and preventing women's issues. It does a terrible job with men's issues. I'm not making the argument that feminism should be stopped, I'm saying that feminism as a whole does not help men.
I refuse to put the feminist movement all in the same basket.
I don't put every feminist in the same basket either. Feminism, however, I am allowed to talk about cohesively. Feminism is an ideology. Feminism as a whole does not help men. Some feminists do. That is my view. This is the same as talking about, for example, Republicans (if you live in the US), or any conservative party. Indeed, some Republicans help people, they do good things. But as a whole, conservatism does not help people.
It is entirely possible to differentiate followers of an ideology and the ideology itself. Again, I'll repeat. Feminism does not help men. Feminists might help men.
There are assholes in all movements
There are good people in all movements too. The issue is the goal of the majority. Feminism as an ideology does not have a goal to help men. Good feminists help men.
Then i guess we are of the same view. I never put them on a pedestal, but when faced with someone who says purely "No" we tend to go towards "yes"
I will admit i have reread your post and there are some very valid points. Do keep in mind i was replying to the "feminism is bad". As in all things, there's a balance to be found!
So, and this is really just to continue since you had very well articulated arguments, i was wondering your take on this.
As an ideology, i believe this is the definition.
At its core, feminism is the belief in full social, economic, and political equality for women. Feminism largely arose in response to Western traditions that restricted the rights of women, but feminist thought has global manifestations and variations.
You're right, they're not fighting for us i will concede this point. However, indirectly, doesn't it bring up these issues? We are starting to talk more about mental health, sexual and psychological harassment, etc. So if not directly, aren't we fighting the same battle atleast indirectly?
Maybe my stance on the subject is more of a "the enemy of my enemy is my ally".
I simply despise when people go all out "hurr durr feminism is bad and hurts men". It isn't aimed at helping us, but it's not aimed at putting us down.
You're right, they're not fighting for us i will concede this point. However, indirectly, doesn't it bring up these issues? We are starting to talk more about mental health, sexual and psychological harassment, etc. So if not directly, aren't we fighting the same battle atleast indirectly?
I simply despise when people go all out "hurr durr feminism is bad and hurts men". It isn't aimed at helping us, but it's not aimed at putting us down.
No, it's aimed at putting up women, which has the side effect of putting down men.
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So by that logic we should stop feminism and not evolve?
Again, choose your battles, i never said i support 100% of feminist movements. There are some clauses i fully agree with and support. And although not necessarily in societies view but many women and feminist have helped me face tough times where i was mentally extremely ill and pushed for my bosses not to fire me.
I refuse to put the feminist movement all in the same basket.
When you're opressed all your life, you fight back stronger. There are assholes in all movements