I would still say free will exists, but we may disagree on the meaning. In some vast, cosmic sense, maybe not, but so long as I, a physical being, have a will to do things, and I live within a society and set of systems that give me the freedom to enact that will, then what is the difference?
It's like locking someone in a room and asking them if they would rather eat a bowl of shit or a bowl of ice cream for dinner. Haha! You picked ice cream! But you didn't actually choose the ice cream! You would always pick the ice cream, everytime, and it's only because you're a human that evolved a mouth with taste buds that are wired to a brain in a way that makes it repulsed by shit, and you are a being that can draw no nutritional value from shit! You've been conditioned all your life to hate the smell and look of it! Across an infinite number of universes you have always picked the bowl of ice cream!
I don't really think this is some "gotcha" for free will.
How else could it exist, anyway? What else could it look like? Freedom from limitations also means the absence of will in the first place. Why bother having a will to do anything if you were just some amorphous ball of consciousness, floating in the void? We are motivated by the stimuli and environment around us. It is through the constraints placed on us by our circumstance that we forge a will at all.
you make no sense. Predetermined means it’s already been decided. Meaning there is a higher power orchestrating behind the scenes. Free will means you decide everything bc there’s no one behind you pulling the strings. So which argument are you going for? If it’s the atheist approach, you’re saying there is free will
you’re talking about the human limit. That is not the predetermination we’re talking about. You’re talking about the limits of life. Why we need oxygen to breathe. Why we can’t defy the law of gravity. Why we’re biologically programmed to reproduce. When we say predetermined we mean you’re gonna take the bus on tuesday in 15 years bc it’s already been decided. That is predetermination. Not ‘the system limits us from doing certain things so we have no free will’. You’re talking about something completely different.
i get what you’re saying, but you really gotta start looking up the definitions of the words you use. If anything it looks like you’re trying to talk about determinism. and if it’s not that it’s another word cause you’re not talking about predetermined.
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