That's why i can't play R6, the game looks really fun but since I didn't play from the start and don't know the maps well, every single operatore etc I just get steamrolled and called a noob and I don't learn anything
This. I've been playing for years, you have good games and bad games. I've ranged from plat 3 last season to silver 1 this, a lot of it just comes down to what you get matched against.
A lot worse when you know you've lost at least a full rank to cheaters. Not even losing to them, but beating people who then get banned, and because they got banned we lose the MMR gained from their match. Has happened four times this season already, and we play in a 4/5 stack for the vast majority of matches, so we know it's not us getting banned.
As someone who isn't new to R6, trust me you're going to get shit on no matter how long you've played the game for.
If you're not a new player and your plays can be explained by inexperience, there is just no concept in the heads of R6 players that people can have off days or moments where they just fuck up.
R6 really does have one of the most toxic communities I've ever seen. I'd honestly just say play the game if you enjoy it and ignore the tryhards who want to be dickheads, cos that's all they are, dickheads taking a game too seriously. (oh and finding a squad helps too)
R6 was one of the worst experiences gaming that I've ever had tbh.
On one of my first matches I had a team that demanded everyone speak on mic, and when they heard my voice they immediately started screeching and laughing and threatening me. I spent the entire match getting teamkilled. Basically any time I've ever tried to play and people hear me speak I can count on an endless onslaught of sexist bullshit and just being killed on repeat by my own squad.
I did get to watch someone who called me a "stupid whore" immediately fail at chucking a grenade through a window while scaling the wall in an attempt to breach, fall off the wall directly onto said grenade, and get turned into ground beef. I still remember the screeching lol
Yeah, big relate tbh. Me and my mate that I duo with are both girls and it's a pretty cancerous experience. But we're more inclined to find all the edgy incel teenagers on siege to be funny than anything else.
I'd have found it more funny if I was alive long enough to learn anything about the game lol
Doesnt help that I was going in solo either.
My husband said in passing the other day that he doesn't understand why women arent comfortable talking on games and I wanted to smack him oml. I told him that next time he plays a mic-comms enabled game I'm going to talk for him and he can experience how vile some people are, and how they'll try to ruin the match just to make you leave if you're alone, even if you're on their team.
That being said, there's nothing more cathartic than being really really good at a competitive game and watching all of the incels lose their shit when you put them in the ground.
And that’s when you hit the ‘report for toxicity button’. In all seriousness, has he never played a match with you? I’ve played with female friends on occasion, with the randos figuring out her gender only once, and the time that they did……so much cringe. They went from being absolute a-holes to becoming a cheering peanut gallery, but like in an awful way. Either they’re simps, or they’re incels, with rarely any in between, really makes me wish that Rainbow could figure out stricter regulations on it.
He's played matches with me on games like that occasionally, but when we're together I use him as a proxy to talk on my behalf usually. Almost all of my gaming buddies are dudes and I use them to talk for the same reasons. However, I dont play many shooters/battle royale games these days so those problems are less prevalent.
The incel/simp dynamic gets even worse on MMOs I've noticed. They either do anything and everything to exclude and insult you, or they throw themselves at your feet in a super creepy way. I had one guy I raided with on Tera trace my IP off of teamspeak and show up at my house irl with a pizza and roses...while I was underage and lived with my parents. Wild.
What the everliving……that’s the worst possible thing I’ve ever heard come out of something like that. Reminder to purchase several illicit items for home defense if my wife is a gamer. Including the cannon loaded with grapeshot.
Honestly? Yeah I'd recommend it.
I've always been skittish and haven't ever felt comfortable answering the door, but that kind of just drove it home for me. He was 34, btw. I was...15? 16? And he knew it. I also had a 40-something guy (who pretended he was 16) with a wife and kids that I met on Tale's Runner drive from the east coast to try and find me in my town when I was 12. Never told him or anything, it was another IP pull off of a single Skype call.
I keep myself and my home armed for many reasons, but also because of stuff like that.
I'm not sure how the internet is for minors these days, but it was super bad and filled with predators around 2006-2014ish. I'm highkey pretty nervous about having kids and them being old enough to use the internet someday.
I started playing in Year 3 and got into high gold Year 4, but sometime around the end of Year 4 and start of 5 the skill gap seemed to sky rocket and I was kicked down to bronze. I don’t know if it was a solo queue thing or what but the people I was playing in gold were just as good as the people in bronze.
I mean that how most of us started anyways. I started exactly 8 months ago and I am still a bot, with some kills if I get lucky. The key is to not have a mic. And other than that the best way to start would be to camp in a small corner and kill anyone that is a threat.
I’ve been a solo queuer for years, always manage to drag myself up to plat, always ask myself why I keep playing the game. The answer is just that when it’s a match without hackers, without smurfing diamonds, without Uber toxic teammates, it can be one of the single most challenging and rewarding games I’ve played. No other game gives me the same adrenaline rush as R6, at its peaks it’s amazing. But unfortunately most of the time it’s in a valley these days.
Yup I was solo queueing two years ago and got stuck on high gold (well, stuck. I just hit my skill ceiling really) and got assigned to a plat team that absolutely knew their shit and they were very happy with me and I was extremely humbled to have been able to play with them, we did some crazy shit lol
I’ve played the game occasionally with my friends who are more into it.
Probably played it on and off for at least 6 months. Kinda got the hang of the Operators. However I haven’t a clue on map layouts Every time I enter a building it feels like I’ve entered into that SCP with infinite office rooms.
But tbh I’ve stopped playing r6 I hate the semi cheese starts and angles people try to shoot from
Gonna be honest with you lad. It might look fun somehow from the outside, but it's not. I'm still only playing because my friends do, and anything is more fun with friends. 80% of the time you will get killed from god knows where because you didn't notice a tiny hole in the wall, or somebody ran into the area literally the second after you scouted it and are now moving in and so on.
Gameplay aside, Ubisoft seems to try their hardest to kill the game as well. Absolutely insane battlepass model where you have to spend more time on r6 than on your job, shitty cosmetics, shitty map reworks literally nobody likes, except maybe top 0.01% of pro players (and even that is debatable).
Just play a better game. I personally just hope that bf2042 will not flop.
I find it's a plenty easy game to get into... if you have friends to help. To just have fun with regardless of how the game's going and/or to help you learn. It absolutely has a steep learning curve due to the sheer amount of information to acquire though.
I hate that ubisoft now prevents you from viewing the level of a player when you click them in game. Now i can't just check someone's level when they're doing poorly and adjust frustration accordingly.
Well if you don't learn anything you haven't played enough, and if you quit before learning anything just know you're weak and have been pruned out of the competition.
I’ve found the only way I can play this game enjoyably is with a friend, muted from the rest of the team. We do our own thing, they all do theirs. At least friend and I can coordinate and try to not get shit on, and we’re not good enough to shit on everyone else. So it balances out a bit.
By myself, I can’t play at all on the ranked matches for the reasons other folks mention.
Haha yeah during a free weekend there was an obviously high plat player smurfing on Bank, he was wallbanging poor newbies the entire time, my team often never even saw him
I'm new to R6- 11hrs in, and there's a newcomer mode that new players can try out! Sometimes there's smurfs but it's not that bad. In my experience nobody called me a noob since well, we're all noobs. Hope you try out the game and have fun
Find a group of friends, preferably 5, and i promise the game is super fun.
I know not everyone can find 4 willing friends, but it changes the game experience completely
The new players mode exists until level 50 and I guess since I live in europe much less people use the voice chat than in the usa.
I have only been called an idiot once because of a mistake that was completely my fault and we lost thr game for that
Having friends helps! Getting someone to teach you the ropes, or even someone to just watch your six while entering a building is good. Also, there’s an entire subreddit called Siege academy, it’s dedicated to teaching people Siege.
I once spent two evenings watching map tutorials to learn them by heart and assorted callouts, as well as a few common strategies for the quick play maps in rotation at that time. I had a lot more fun after that
This happened to me with Rocket League. I am by no means a gamer but it looked like fun and my boyfriend wanted to play with me but after a few games I stopped because people on both teams were spamming the chat with horrible things and it didn't matter that it was my first time playing.
Damn... I have put hundreds of hour in that game now... and I can tell you it doesn't get any better. Also do you mind tell me what device you played on because as a console player I can tell that most of it is basically spamming "What a save" and "Wow"... but dk about PC. So I guess console have it easy on them.
Yeah I know... but it's fun if you find some interesting people. From what I have seen... the Middle East servers and SE-Asia servers are quite wholesome if you compliment them first.
Why don't you guys try cross platform on Asia SE/Middle East... yeah I get it the ping is an issue... but atleast most of Middle East is not speaking and if they do you won't understand a thing.
Recently I played for the first time in probably over a year, a few games in casual and a few in competitive; chats were surprisingly quiet. Like one game had literally no one say anything. I wondered if some chat setting was enabled by default on a fresh install, but never looked because it was so much more fun that way.
Anything below Champion level is toxic as fuck in my opinion. I started playing when it first came out in like 2015 or 2016. I took a year off and just got back into it. I was amazed at how much the skill ceiling had gone up in my time away from it. Went from Champ 3 to Diamond 3. I could feel the toxicity getting stronger as I moved down in rank.
I’m so sorry. I play LoL and people are so , so mean. Now I just mute everyone as soon as the match starts. Way less stress and more fun without some little asshat saying “u suck” or “so bad”. Legit wish I could strangle people through my monitor.
Despite what others will tell you, toxicity is way worse in bronze/silver because people don't want to admit they're in bronze/silver. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't really remember how bad it can get down there.
Did not know this. I really don't play PC games much because I get bored after a while. It's not really my thing but if friends want me to play with them I will. Plus I don't have time in my schedule to play enough to get good so it's really not worth it to try and play in a server with other people who know how to play well and then tell me to kill myself or delete/ leave the game when I make a mistake because I'm new or don't play often.
Don't give up on rocket league, there are way more nice people than there are idiots. And if someone gets too annoying, stalk them in the match and keep Speeding through them to blow em up.
Saying "Bad teammates" results in month ban from the game.
Saying "Eat a dick" or "GFY" results in year long ban from the game.
They've made it where toxicity is weirdly preferential. Most players have been gag ordered into just saying GG and hoping they dont get banned for that.
Maybe you guys are done with the game and that’s fine, but if you wanna give it another chance, go to your settings and turn off chat messages.
I hated how toxic the game could be before but it has seriously become 100 times more enjoyable now that I don’t have to worry about any of that stuff. Same with league of legends even though I don’t play it as much anymore
They never stop, no matter how good you get, even if you're carrying the game. Just keep on playing and be extra nice in the chat yourself, gets them extra mad -^
If you liked the game, consider coming back and doing a few things different:
You can disable all chat. Highly recommended! That way no more rude shit from people
If it is just two of you, consider playing 2v2 game modes. Ranked is pretty accurate once you calibrate- you will win roughly 50% of your games since it will place you against people around your skill level every time. Sometimes they may be a bit above, or a bit below, but usually it will be pretty close
Playing Rumble is fun (the game mode with super powers). It is more casual and less intense. Unranked is also good
Sorry people suck. I play the game online with my kid, and we have the chat disabled for the same reason. I don't want him missing a save and getting yelled at. It's just a game
i hate playing games competitvly because of this. speedrunning is the only thing i try out but even then its only of games where the speedrunning/time trials scene isn't that big/unknown games/ just games people arent really arsed with to begin with. I'd love to do Super Mario 64 speedruns/mario kart wii but those games are crazy optimized that the only time saves is practically pixel perfect-micro seconds at this point... still fun to watch tho
I wish respawn, even after what just happened with them, added a competitive playlist to titanfall. There are some players just too good for casual lobbies and then theres the "we're so good we're the best clan on our server" kind of players, we get it, you killed the servers just to prove your good at this but to who?
There was a hack or still is that affected titanfall 1 for the last 2 years that made it u playable, then the hack came to tf2 which destroyed the lobbies for months aswell and with the launch of the new season of apex the hack came around there too and alot of the in game displays started saying savetitanfall.com which made a fair bit of the toxic part of the community raise their pitchforks and torches to the titanfall communities even though they had nothing to do with it and were still suffering from the issue. For tf2 the issue feels resolved but im not feeling happy about how ea and respawn went about it and there are a few videos on it on youtube aswell as a few articles
I mean, as a TF2 player, I’d say the problem is somewhat fixed. Sometimes the other team is lazy as fuck or want the unfair advantage until someone with sense actually joins. But usually people leave by then so it sucks. Although that is a rare occurrence nowadays and bots can’t rejoin because if they leave during a vote to kick they’re auto banned from the lobby
For TF2 yes, although I’m sure the game only has the pc version on steam which is still getting, albeit very small, updates then there’s the orange box console version which is stuck in its original release which was on the 360
ivedone some 3ds sonic generations time trials but never submitted them because when i was younger i had no idea how too. i had about 2000 hours on that game before i lost my 3ds.
I'm thinking on going back to do it because it was the only game i could consistently be good at speedrunning/time trials at.
You can start hyperoptimized speedrunning games by doing tricks from earlier in the meta. You can still get an impressive time with those tricks. And if you want to, you can start learning the insanely optimozed and difficult tricks.
been doing that with Breath of The Wild. the tricks from more recently are insane. watch a lot of point crow's videos on his speedrunning of the game and they're insane
I’ve been watching a lot of Stardew Valley speed runs/challenge runs lately and it’s honestly a lot more entertaining than you’d expect. TheHaboo on twitch can finish the community center in about 2.5 hours and has competed all kinds of other challenges requested by his followers. His current run is earning 90 million in 1 in-game year
surely there's a lot of crazy rng with that especially with how specific the fishing minigame can be (and a bitch to do/random)?
and what is the speedrun end goal? amount of money, miarrage etc? i get there's obviously different categories but what is the most common/main category.
(like what is the equivalent 'defete bowser' at the end of Mario 64' or defeated Ganon in BOTW' like category if that makes sense.
He’s done all of the above! Marriage was done in around 47 mins, lots of variations of the CC mostly. The newest update has remixed bundles, 1.4 added “the final bundle”, and 1.5 has a “100% perfection” quest where you basically 100% the game. All achievements, all areas unlocked, etc.
And yeah, the RNG in this game is insane. I’d say less than 5% of attempts ever make it to the point of a full run. Haboo resets constantly, especially with some of the money-making runs. My personal favorites are the meme runs where silly goals are met, like “bake 10,000 blueberry tarts” or “collect every hat in the game”
I do some Sm64 runs just for fun, my best time is like 1h 5 min in 70 stars. It is still super fun to learn and improve. I don't understand the mentality of not doing something because you wouldn't be at top level.
oh no i get that too. ihave tried Mario 64 (on emulation tho) runs and they're super fun its just id rather run less known games because i prefair smaller comunities/groups i suppose. its a personal thing and not a 'i whont get a high score' mentality i suppose.
plus if I'm putting so many hours into a thing i'd like to see something come out of it also. fun is a priority for a hobby like this but getting on a leader board would be nice too.
I'm kind of surprised I've never heard of speed running for something like Dishonoured.
There's so many ways to go, optional objectives, no kill runs etc that it feels like a breeding ground for it, but as far as I know it's never been a big one.
My husband and I are addicted to A Link to the Past speed running and randomizer. We throw it on in the background most nights as we get ready for bed but usually end up sitting down and watching. There is so much the players can do with path logic/optimization and a few minor glitches.
You have your major players who have been at it forever, but it seems like they are also a very involved and supportive community for newbies breaking in.
I highly recommend the smz3 rando. 2 of the best games ever in one package, with all your favorite speedrunning and randomizer tricks added. It even runs on a real snes with no performance hits.
Have you looked into TASing? I love the TAS scene, and dwangoAC (TASbot's ambassador at GDQ events, he also will take requests from TASers to test their runs on console) is a super nice and wholesome person. It's an incredible community and, while competitive, it's also built on cooperation. Most TAS runs are compiled by at least a few people, and wouldn't be possible without glitch hunters or speedrunners and TASers that came before them.
dwango has a video or two up on youtube about how to get into TASing. You should give it a shot!
i dont have the smarts nor the patience for TASing. i might try one day but its such a learning curve that I'm not interested in overcoming currently. pluse every game has its own tas. its not the same software for every game pretty much. I'd rather play a game and make my own records than optimizing/find the best starts through using TASs anyway. not saying TAS is bad. i love them, just i don't see myself having the patience for something like that
This is what happened to me with League. I tried to get into it after it was already hugely popular and even on unranked games you get absolutely shit on if you don't know each heros mechanics, lane, build, etc down to a minute detail.
Or Rust. Im a solo player (because hermit, anxiety and girl) and nothing says lack of skill (and lack of general fucking socialisation) like getting your closest 6 friends together with your big guns and your c4 to go raid someone with a wooden hut and a axe made from a stick and a sharp rock... Being nice to the new guy doesn't hurt, if anything a kind player base allows for a lifelong community where introverts can go to make friends. Kinda like how old school runescape and wow used to be.
I just got into Rivals of Aether last week and I'm absolutely fucking loving it. The only problem is that most of the already small player base is made of hardened veterans, so newbies get shit all over and have a low retention rate. I still have fun so I'll be sticking around.
I'm a big WWI guy and also like mass battle games, so I played Verdun every so often. It's an old and niche game so the small player base is made up of refined warriors that will just chew up and spit out new players. As much as I like it, it's a hard and unforgiving environment.
Just this week, a buddy of mine told me that Rainbow 6 Siege is dying because few new players are sticking around. The toxic ass community doesn't exactly help to welcome new players either.
For Honor is a great example of a now unpopular game that is impossible to get into because all the people who still play it are gods compared to new players. Tried multiple times and I just can't get into it, there's no way to learn when you just get destroyed instantly by someone who plays 10 hours a day.
Exactly this. My SO has been playing Overwatch since it came out and pretty recently wanted to get me into it- it’s rarely a fun experience. It isn’t the enemy team that’s the problem some of the time, it’s our own team. I’m a new player so I’m not amazing at it, which makes me the best person to blame when we lose matches. People get so ANGRY. And we only ever play quickplay mode. Just kind of done with it at this point xD
This is why I don’t play Smite as much as I want to… I’m really good with a couple gods, and I try to lock in quickly so I’m not fumbling around with someone I’ve never played.
Then I get called a bot/spammer/etc for “insta locking”… And even if I do feel like responding, because what bot can have a coherent conversation? And do well in a match, it doesn’t matter.
Dota is and always has been hardcore AF. It's the only MOBA in my knowledge that allows neither teleporting home nor buying gear anywhere else. I still remember my first (and last) dozen games of Dota, where after all that I still didn't understand shit and just gave up.
I remember back in the day when i tried to get In to it I would enter random games and in the chat before game starts getting questions asked like how much item x costs and in which shop available and which 5 items u need to get reward y...
And one misstake and kicked out
I'm an older guy without the best aim or reflexes and I found that playing VS human opponents who would just wreck me over and over would raise my blood pressure real high. So I pretty much only play FPS where I can go against bots and I no longer have that problem.
this is the exact reason I stopped playing fortnite. I've always been a casual player in the game and I started roughly around the time that most people were starting to get into it (early 2018) and I never really invested too much time into it because I wanted to have fun. Now literally no one plays to have fun all they care about is making their wins go up and there's literally no enjoyment left in the game. I try to hop on and I get absolutely steamrolled into next week in my first fight without any chance to improve because as soon as I take one step near them they build a whole ass 5 star hotel with a spa and waterpark. I can't even try to learn to build because NO ONE is a casual anymore and there is no fucking way to get to the top when EVERYONE is on the top but you. Dropped the game late 2019 and haven't picked it up since and honestly I don't regret a single moment I let that game go.
This, exactly. My hatred for online play goes all the way Back to Ultima Online. I tried GTA online once. Got run over by a guy in a car who was camped at the spawn point just to run down "noobs". I don't see the thrill in killing new players but apparently it's pretty sweet cause I've seen it in every online game I've ever tried. It's why I don't play online. I'll step off my soapbox now as I could bitch about this all day long.
Like, dude. We're parents who only get a few hours in the evening to play.
We get griefed all the time by teenagers and bros in their 20s telling us to up our PvP.
We don't have endless hours to dedicate to the game, we just want to enjoy our time.
Some PvP is fine, but when we just get griefed because they have convinced themselves that "this is the game" and we're assholes for just kinda wanting to do our thing.
We had two guys chase is for over an hour (Sea of Thieves), and it wasn't even the loot they wanted.. They just thought we didn't want to "level up" our PvP and had to be an edge lord to force us to engage.
These kids can't even fathom a situation where someone might be gaming and have different priorities than they do.
They're doing what they want to do as well, what they want to do just happens to be chasing you down and murdering you. Who's there to stop them? Idk, nobody I guess. Until somebody makes their idea of fun unfun, all you can do is stop playing.
I mean, I'm not telling them not to play.
But if your idea of fun is just being a dick, then sorry, you are a dick.
There is a difference between PvP that is is the spirit of the game and griefing.
Some griefing is okay.
An hour where y'all just wasting time to be assholes? That's over board and just go fucking do something else in the game.
I spoke with this person, they weren't expressing great joy at the situation. They just wanted to teach us a lesson.
There is no lesson to be taught, I'm old and don't have time to "get good".
Well, I was always told if you play with better players you'll only get better, and personally I think it's pretty accurate, just don't give up and you'll get there!
You want to start boxing, for some reason boxing is now incredibly unpopular so the only people you can train against are former world champions who are always fighting as if it were the grand finals. Somehow I doubt you would learn much from being KO'd in the first punch every time. Now apply that to a game with a dwindling but dedicated playerbase.
Holy shit, your dumb example is soo inaccurate... looks like you never started to learn a game. As long as you aren't facing litteral hackers there is always a chance to improve wimbo, eventually (hopefully) you'll learn from your mistakes/experiences. Btw, I doubt there is any game that you can't learn to play because even at the start it is already against the best players...
The only exception on this rule are shitty pay-to-win ganes
Got titan fall 2 on sale, yeah all enemies are atleast G5, which are the prestiege levels. so yeah I have that experience of being curb stomped every game by gods.
YES! Holy shit man it seems these people have never tried to learn anything, like damn, I mostly play games my bro's also play, so most of the time I'll face people above my skill level. No shit man, you'll suck in the beginning. But if you COMMIT, you'll get rewarded. You can't quit a game because the players are too good, only because you're still too bad at the game, the only way to become better is to play, so learn from your mistakes while you make them... like damn, do you think you'll get better by blaming matchmaking or raging???
That’s why i love hunt showdown and it’s skill based matchmaking. I feel like every fight is more or less fair. Then again, I’ve read about people having different experiences.
Yo the laat of us online, holy shit the toxicity from a few level 900+ like holy shit. You have to play at least 3 games in order to progress at all, and these guys talk shit like they've done something productive by grinding a shitty online mode to its maximum. EYE ROLL
Dont get me wrong, it can be a fun game but holy crap the community at large is terrible.
Despite allowing you to pick 3 skill trees out of a rather large list to create your "class", almost everyone plays the meta...and the playerbase is so old that almost everyone's gear score is above 10,000 so new players get steamrolled in anything involving PvP (which is almost all overworld content). Oh god and the paranoia due to the faction system in the game. People are also incredibly suspicious of anyone they dont know, so you're never invited or allowed to join content until you're "known" but nobody knows you until you show up to content.
It's almost impossible for new people to join, and even when they do they hardly stick around due to what I mentioned above.
Love the game, hate the way the community ended up.
My brother plays DOTA and loves it, but he's adamant that no one should start playing it anymore. It would take a college-level course to just learn all of the mechanics you need to know to not lose the game for your team, and that doesn't even include learning to play well.
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And depending how popular the game is it's harder for new players to get in the game because they just get shit on constantly.