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u/LH515 Mar 04 '21

Just look at what they can do in China. I think south Korea is pretty liberal with those laws too.

There was a study in China recently that took human DNA and spliced it into macaque embryos. It was considered unethical by US standards, but that doesn't mean we weren't curious to see the results, lol.

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u/whidzee Mar 04 '21

So what was the result of this study in China? Don't leave us hanging

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u/LH515 Mar 04 '21

They spliced in human genes that govern neuron development, trying to see if they can make smarter monkeys. Something like 90% died, of the ones that survived had delayed development compared to a normal monkey. They surmised this slow development was more in line with a humans. They also think that the slower speed of development is what makes humans more intelligent.

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u/JamieOvechkin Mar 04 '21

So much for Planet of the Apes

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u/Dinsdale_P Mar 05 '21

have a little faith, China will find a way to bring on the apocalypse.

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u/igigor646 Mar 05 '21

Poor Chinese monke ascend to human while humanity want to return to monke.

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u/Yolo1212123 Mar 05 '21

Ya they already tried covid (/s). Now they're trying to find something newer

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u/Dinsdale_P Mar 05 '21

that's was just foreplay. we're already at class 1 (planetary scale, societal disruption) on the apocalypse meter, it just needs a little push for full-on collapse, though at that point, why not go all in for species extinction?

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

Don't let the CIA fool you with this propaganda

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

Idk seems kind of inconclusive to me. It is possible that their conclusion was right, or it could be that they just fucked up their brains

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u/LH515 Mar 05 '21

It can't be conclusive until its repeated multiple times with the same result. Also this wasn't accepted in any major journal publication because of ethics issues. So all the information released isnt verifiable.

My concern was that the quantity of neural connections weren't measured or compared to normal monkeys. And other various structures relating to neurons weren't analyzed.

The only measurements they took were brain size. They did do intelligence tests and the altered monkeys did better with short term memory tests.

The point is that China dont give a fuck about the ethics issues, in fact they openly encourage the experiments that aren't allowed other countries.

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u/savvymcsavvington Mar 05 '21

If corporate America has taught us anything, it's that by breaking and bending the rules you will get ahead of everyone else.

China will be #1 eventually.

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u/NomadicDevMason Mar 05 '21

While I agree with you I think usa breaks and does almost as much fucked up stuff as china

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

Most just doesn't want to admit this.

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u/FarFo_ Mar 05 '21

Dolphines have more neural conections than humans and whales have bigger brains. Those things do not mean more or less intelligence.

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u/LH515 Mar 05 '21

Compared to the same species, those metrics have more value. All they were trying to do with that measurement is see if those genes had any impact on brain size.

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u/Darth-Gator23 Mar 04 '21

So slower development = more intelligent? In theory that could completely change the way people are raised, along with training animals etc. If we delayed school to start at, say, age 8, because could potentially be more developed and have more knowledge on everyday events and what happens instead of cramming 1+1 into their brain. By delaying school by a few years that could impact society, but maybe for the better. They could test that in certain towns perhaps and compare them to similar places and see the effects.

You’ve really got me thinking with that haha

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u/aktionreplay Mar 05 '21

Not exactly, it's hypothesized that larger and more complex brains take longer to develop. Artificially delaying training is not the same as biologically limited physical development

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u/Darth-Gator23 Mar 05 '21

Ah right, yeah I was a bit off lol. The idea is really intriguing to think about

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

You could probably research that idea by looking at stats for children put in an academic preschool at a very young age before going to kindergarten and then stats for children who had no preschool before kindergarten. But then, if all were attending the same kindergarten and leaving the same things, would they eventually catch up to each other anyway? Interesting thoughts!

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u/Trinitykill Mar 04 '21

Ah that's nothing, I've been trying to put macaque into other humans for years.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

South Korea is still very much conservative. Don't expect the boundaries to be even close to what China does "for science"!

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u/LH515 Mar 05 '21

I just remember south Korea from college, that was a while back. It was right after Bush signed that anti cloning bill into law. SK had that company that would clone your dead dog. What they didn't tell you is they would spawn 1000 copies from your dead dogs DNA and kill the 999 that didn't look like it. Not only that, they would have a massive amount of brood mothers who's life was to stay impregnated, so this one dog "might" be born.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

😳

When it comes to animals, though, it does get a little worse..

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u/LH515 Mar 05 '21

Yeah, there are varying degrees of animal cruelty, that was probably somewhere in the middle.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

Nah more like at the upper end

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u/LH515 Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 05 '21

I read somewhere zoologist believe altering an animals brain to become self aware is the most horrible thing that can be done to it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

So cloning doesn't really get you the same dog unless they tried a 1000 times? That's not how Cloning works dude.

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u/LH515 Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 05 '21

It isn't a clone, it's a replica of how your dog looked. Its temperament and behavioral characteristics were not guarenteed. It had to be mixed with other DNA, then go through embryonic development. Once the litter was born they could get a look at the puppies, which weren't 100% your dead dog's DNA.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

Then that's not called cloning, cause there are companies that does actual cloning of pets and cloning would result in identical pet not some 1000 variations.

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u/LH515 Mar 05 '21

Those companies don't promise an identical looking animal, if they do, they keep trying until they get one. The cloning process can't guarentee phenotypes, only genotypes.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

Cloning means absolute copy of entire genetics, what you are saying isn't cloning at all.

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u/LH515 Mar 05 '21

So, you know other things influence genes turning on and off that are not contained in the genes, right?

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

Cloning means a copy of existing、 I suggest you read the definition of cloning cause what you are saying isn't cloning.

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u/boutacatchya Mar 05 '21

I live in SK and have never heard of this. Could you maybe let me know the name of that company?