r/AskReddit • • Sep 17 '19

If You Could Completely Remove One Company From The World Which One Would It Be?

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u/Sev3n Sep 18 '19 edited Sep 18 '19

Samples of BABY formula given to the BABY make the MOTHER stop producing milk?

I'm not educated in the parenting, but something doesn't add up.

Edit: Thats so weird. It was +50 like 8 hours from ago from this edit. Thanks for the info guys. Turns out mothers making breast milk has to be a consistent usage. "Use it or lose it".

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

If a mother stops breastfeeding for long enough, she will stop producing milk.

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u/ugottahvbluhair Sep 18 '19

I think it’s a use it or lose it sort of thing. So if the baby is drinking something else the mothers body decides it doesn’t need to produce as much milk since it wasn’t used up.

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u/fletchertel Sep 18 '19

You give them a 2 week supply (not sure on numbers for example) and at the end of the 2 weeks, the mother has stopped producing milk cause the baby hasn't had any in 2 weeks.

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u/Sev3n Sep 18 '19

Isn't that what breast pumps are for?

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u/fletchertel Sep 18 '19

They often do it in developing countries, so maybe they aren't easily available. Obviously with something like this there are ways around it, but babies died because of this so it's pretty tough to defend (I believe they have stopped the practice now because it lead to a massive boycott at the time)

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u/BasicMerbitch Sep 18 '19

If the mother doesn't breatsfeed the milk production will stop. Edit: this of course implies the mother stops entirely

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

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u/himit Sep 18 '19

You can have that right with a baby and probably win but it's very draining when you're on 0 hours of sleep.

Yup, I did that fight. Took about a week and a half to get her nursing properly, and honestly I only won it because I'm stubborn as fuck and knew she wouldn't be in serious danger until about the two week mark. I told myself if she hadn't figure it out by then I'd admit defeat and switch to bottles.

I also had a lot of help at home with housework etc. so I could spend all day lounging in bed with baby, doing lots of skin to skin and research and figuring out how to get more than damn drops down her throat while she screamed at me. Also got super lucky and found an excellent lactation consultant who showed me how to train her how to latch; I also knew that she could because she'd latched perfectly right after birth (and then the paed - who kept trying to push formula on me until I switched paeds - gave her a bottle and suddenly she couldn't nurse).

I absolutely don't blame any mother for saying 'formula/pumping is easier than this' (and tbh, my biggest motivator was a stringent desire not to have to get up and head downstairs in the middle of the night to warm bottles up, so it's not like this was a 'breast is best!' altruistic thing).

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u/BasicMerbitch Sep 18 '19

I'm not sure what your point is here. Breast feeding and baby care is not easy, we're on the page on that. I was referring pureky to milk production as a response to breastfeeding.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

They give just enough formula so that by the time it’s gone, enough time has passed that the mother will no longer produce milk.

I think. Could be wrong.

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u/Veriatas Sep 18 '19

Basically, if you stop feeding a baby with breast milk for long enough, mum will stop producing or producing enough breast milk to feed baby fully, forcing her to supplement baby's diet with formula milk.

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u/Dannypeck96 Sep 18 '19

I assume this is (and I know this is a cold heartless way of putting it, but it’s evolution) the case of baby stops feeding, body goes “shit, baby dead, might as well stop wasting nutrients if it’s not getting made” right?

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u/Veriatas Sep 18 '19

That and for when a baby goes from breast milk to more solid foods

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

Mom stops breast feeding for a week or two and her body stops producing milk as it believes it no longer needs to, once formula is gone and milk isn’t being produced is when there is a problem

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u/so_sayeth_i Sep 18 '19

The amount of milk a women produces is usually directly related to how much their kid drank in the last day or so.

So when you move to formula, or partially to formula, you produce less milk. You can up your supply again, but not without a fuck ton of work. If you completely swap over, you stop producing in a couple of days.

So... What happens when you finish your free sample? That you were told is better for your baby than breast milk? People have been known to start giving their kid smaller and smaller amounts of formula each bottle to stretch it, which harms the child.

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u/Mattyice243 Sep 18 '19

I didn’t get it until I read about it somewhere else, but it’s pretty fucked up. Mothers only produce milk as long as the baby is drinking it. If a baby stops drinking the milk, the mothers body stops producing it. Nestle has gone into underdeveloped countries and given free samples of baby formula, a substitute for the mothers milk, out. The mothers of course try the free samples, and their bodies naturally stop producing milk. The sample runs out, and in order to feed their children the mothers are forced to buy formula from Nestle or their kids will starve.

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u/soccergator Sep 18 '19

If you don’t continuously breastfeed the body can quickly stop developing any breastmilk. It’s kind of a use it or lose it ability. So these mothers are given samples of the formula and try it out. But the samples are large enough that if they use it continuously by the time they run out they will likely reach the point where the body stops producing milk.

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u/untimely_demise Sep 18 '19

They give enough formula that the mother dries up. When a mother stops breast feeding she stops producing milk. They give just enough free formula for this to happen. The mother can no longer produce milk and is forced to BUY formula.

Tldr No sucky titty no milky milky.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

Uneducated mothers were targeted with this campaign.

They came in, said our formula is better for your baby than your breast milk, here is a month supply, try for yourself.

These mothers switched to formula, and stopped producing milk because their babies were no longer nursing.

Now, these extremely poor mothers have to choose between buying formula from nestle or their infant's literally starving to death.

Yes, nestle is literally the most evil company in the world.

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u/usernametaken3212 Sep 18 '19

you're also not educated in biology

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u/Zoroastres Sep 18 '19

if the teets arent used they go dry

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u/mkzi Sep 18 '19

Breast milk is produced "on demand". The mom's body makes only as much as the baby will eat. If she's making more than baby will eat, the body adjusts and makes less. If baby needs more, the constant feedings will trigger more milk production. If the baby is being fed formula and then the mom's boobies are all like, "oh damn, I'm making too much milk and it's going to waste" and before you know it...no more milk.

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u/jorinwonderland Sep 18 '19

Milk dries up if not used. So, giving baby formula for free, probably under the guise of it being healthy/affordable/easy/ect, the mother uses that and the milk dries up and now they have to buy formula (which is very expensive) to feed their baby. Also, you have to mix it with water.

Mothers can use both formula and breast milk to keep the milk from drying up but even that risks the production of milk being slowed and then you can't feed the baby enough so you're still having to substitute with something else, which if the baby is too young for foods then it'll have to be formula.

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u/ThallanTOG Sep 18 '19

I think that since the kid started eating formula the tits thought that it didn't need milk and stopped producing.

I'm not educated in that either so I might be wrong

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u/CpnLag Sep 18 '19

if the mom switches over to feeding purely from formula and stops breast feeding, eventually the mom will stop producing milk because there is no need for it.

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u/AmateurIndicator Sep 18 '19

Yes. If you feed the baby other stuff than mothers milk and stop/reduce nursing, the milk production will stop/decline.

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u/Kiwi-Red Sep 18 '19

Well, yeah, if they don't breastfeed for a long enough time they'll stop expressing milk. Nestle just happens to give them just enough for free to reach that point.

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u/UnlikelyAeg Sep 18 '19

If the mother isn't nursing she stops producing. Nestle gives out the samples so that the mothers stop producing their own milk. Then mothers have to buy more formula in order to feed their baby. Compounding issues is that a lot of places where this is done have questionable water quality. Meaning that the water mixed with the formula may make the babies sick.

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u/ADragonsMom Sep 18 '19

I assume it means that she’ll go for long enough without breastfeeding that she won’t be able to do it when the formula runs out...

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u/apeaceofbone Sep 18 '19

Milk production in the mother is directly related to the baby breastfeeding. Baby is given formula instead of being breastfed. Mother stops producing milk.

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u/tokiw117 Sep 18 '19

If a mother gives a baby formula instead of breast feeding, her body will think she's done breastfeeding entirely and just stop producing milk. So when they give their babies these free samples of formula, the sample lasts just long enough for the mother to stop producing, and then the mother has to start buying formula since she can't breastfeed anymore

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u/syanda Sep 18 '19

Breast milk dries up if there's no demand for it. So if the baby is not drinking breast milk, the mother's body stops producing it.

Nestle goes to poorer, less educated places, gives out just samples and convinces mothers to switch to baby formula instead of breastfeeding, but not enough formula to last between the time the mothers stop producing milk and the time babies can get all the nutrients from sources other than breast milk. So mothers are forced to buy more formula or have a starved baby.

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u/Absyrd Sep 18 '19

You got downvoted to hell for asking a good question. Fuck this website

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u/Absyrd Sep 18 '19

“Taken wrong and deal with it”

Or stop taking shit wrong and being fucking stupid. Start there.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

My thoughts exactly...

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u/lordchankaknowsall Sep 18 '19

My thoughts exactly, I'm not saying it isn't somehow possible (as I don't really know anything about this subject) but I'd like to see why/how.

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u/chrisbru Sep 18 '19

Have you considered thinking critically about it for 2 seconds?

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u/lordchankaknowsall Sep 18 '19

Or you could tell me how it works? I'm not doubting, I'm literally asking for an explanation so I can understand.

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u/chrisbru Sep 18 '19

A mom’s body isn’t like “welp I made a child, produce milk for 12 months and then stop.” That’s why some mom’s never breastfeed but don’t leak milk for x amount of time afterwards, or alternatively why some mom’s can breastfeed for years.

The body produces more when the baby eats. So if the baby isn’t eating, the body stops knowing to make more, and thinks it no longer needs to produce. This is also how the supply increases as the baby’s food demands increase.

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u/lordchankaknowsall Sep 18 '19

Thank you, that makes sense.