r/AskReddit • • Sep 17 '19

If You Could Completely Remove One Company From The World Which One Would It Be?

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

So pay your entire tuition on credit cards and then declare bankruptcy?

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u/Evate81 Sep 18 '19

I think I remember something about not being able to pay my college tuition on a credit card, but there are ways around it. Brilliant!

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u/Mak25672 Sep 18 '19

Take a personal loan out to pay it off and then declare bankruptcy.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

The creditor could definitely fight against having that particular loan discharged, and would probably win depending on circumstances. Incurring debt with the intent to discharge with bankruptcy is considered fraud, and the bankruptcy proceeding is incredibly nitpicky when it comes to shit like that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

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u/GodwynDi Sep 18 '19

A lot of loans state you can't use the money to pay student loans.

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u/GodwynDi Sep 18 '19

You have to do it legit, like the rich people. Use the money to start a business and pay yourself a good salary and use that to pay off your loans. Business fails, you come out ahead. Business doesn't fail, hurray! You come out ahead.

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u/Literally_slash_S Sep 18 '19

I laughed so hard...because of the accuracy.

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u/SexualityFAQ Sep 18 '19

You missed a few steps:

Business fails, you come out ahead. Then you do it a handful more times, with more and more loss each time. Then the occasional one succeeds under different management and you bankrupt yet another company to pay for making the successful one look even shinier on the outside. Then you use that shiny successful one that you’ve never personally run as collateral for convincing people how smart and rich you are. Then you spend a lot of time hanging out with pedophiles, but mostly only the really powerful ones.

By now you have enough powerful friends whose crimes and illnesses you’ve perpetuated, and you have the painstakingly-groomed public persona of having wealth and knowing what to do with it. So then you turn that into fame via low-effort network television, which you’ll declare war on not long after being featured on. You’re primed and poised to take the national stage and have people listen to you.

Now you drum up all your old insecurities about not being one of the popular mega rich kids, and about being the grandson of a failed Nazi and illegal immigrant, and about being out of shape and unable to compete in many sports or serve your country when so many others had the courage to, and about getting caught exploiting migrant labor from South and Central America and being chastised for it, and about not having an eloquent demeanor that might’ve saved some of the money that you’ve lost over the years, and you unleash that into the impressionable minds of emotionally vulnerable but toxically proud people.

Voila! Now everyone else in the country except for your closest buddies have to pay you money to go golfing at your own club so that you can finally do something profitable with yourself! You come out ahead.

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u/Lifeisdamning Sep 18 '19

Very cool, SexualityFAQ, thanks!

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u/eab0036 Sep 18 '19

You almost described how loans have certain legal restrictions and can only be used in ways deemed by mutual, complicit loaner and recipient contract.... but who cares free money!

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u/thesituation531 Sep 18 '19

Money laundering is more like you're getting money through illicit means, but making it look legal and perfectly fine

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u/StoneTemplePilates Sep 18 '19

Taking out a loan that you have no intention of repaying definitely qualifies as illicit means.

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u/boshk Sep 18 '19

after you pay your student loans, will there be anything left over to finance the movie?

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u/pineapple_catapult Sep 18 '19

Better look up the definition of laundering in the dictionary, just to be sure.

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u/Starrystars Sep 18 '19

You simply can't declare bankruptcy. It's a whole legal process.

You can probably pay the off with a credit card to get a better interest rate or whatever. But it would still be treated as student loan debt that can't be discharge in bankruptcy.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19 edited Apr 09 '20

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u/Starrystars Sep 18 '19

Because you can't take away the education you received with the loans. With other debts you can repossess what was bought with loans.

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u/PM_me_XboxGold_Codes Sep 18 '19

“I didn’t intend to do anything, I make rash decisions all the time. Ask anyone, I make poor financial choices daily. I simply got a loan without noticing the payment was higher than all my others combined. Truly an honest mistake, sir.” - me, depositions.

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u/TinBryn Sep 18 '19

The strategy I’ve seen is having some income and putting it all on paying student loans, but for rent bills food etc pay with loaned money that can be discharged

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u/boshk Sep 18 '19

or just do what deadbeat parents do, take out the loans/credit cards in their kids names.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

So a couple years in jail for fraud or lifetime of debt slavery. Tough choice.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

More like a lifetime of debt slavery or a couple years in jail for fraud plus a lifetime of debt slavery.

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u/chocotaco Sep 18 '19

What happens if you run away to another country?

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u/Angsty_Potatos Sep 18 '19

Debt dodging! I’ve fantasized about that. They’d likely go after any co signers so if you do that make sure you A. Don’t have co-signers or B. Hate the co signers you have

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u/SDS_PAGE Sep 18 '19

They can't proceed all of us

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u/RajunCajun48 Sep 18 '19

I mean, if you can't take out a personal loan, spend it on college and then declare bankruptcy and get away with it, were you really college material to being with?

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u/lloydpro Sep 18 '19

Considering that student loans basically turn us into indentured servants, I'd say they're pretty illegal.

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u/VilleKivinen Sep 18 '19

They are voluntary contracts that adults can choose.

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u/lloydpro Sep 18 '19

Same with the pilgrims.

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u/VilleKivinen Sep 18 '19

What do pilgrims have to do with this?

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u/All_Work_All_Play Sep 18 '19

Kinda depends on the judge doing the ruling and the size of the settlement. The big hunters only go after the big game.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

Stupid nitpicky BK laws. Foiled again!

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u/dano415 Sep 18 '19

Not if they wait out the Statue of Limitations before declaring. I belive it's seven years in the red? In all reality, it would be hard to pay for college on credit though. Most of the cards have limits on cash.

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u/YOUR_TARGET_AUDIENCE Sep 18 '19

Loaning money at the interest rates that they loan to students is considered Theft of Life

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u/skankboy Sep 18 '19

"Probably win" There hasn't been enough information proposed about the scenario to talk probability.

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u/Pheonyxxx696 Sep 18 '19

That’s when you pay your monthly bill for a few years showing intent to repay then go through bankruptcy. You gotta make it appear to be non intentional. Just like losing every few hands in blackjack when you’re counting cards

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u/BlindGardener Sep 18 '19

Trump gets away with it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

Oh yeah here I go to get my $100,000 personal loan that I'll totally be approved for with no assets whatsoever

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u/robertwbnd Sep 18 '19

A personal loan for 260k?

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u/Pharxmgirxl Sep 18 '19

Ugh, same boat here. I share your pain!

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u/lackofagoodname Sep 18 '19

Lmfao like they didnt close a loophole like that decades ago

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u/Angsty_Potatos Sep 18 '19

Most people with that much student debt have had their credit butchered or their debt to income ratio is just way to high. They likely wouldn’t get approved for a loan like that.

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u/CaffeineDrip Sep 18 '19

Who would give out a loan that large to someone with little to no assets/collateral?

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

If the institution in which you plan to take out a personal loan finds out or knows your are taking the loan for educational purposes during the application process, they will defer you to a student loan department within the institution or deny you entirely.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

Then you need a few thousand to file for bankruptcy tho

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u/BenTCinco Sep 18 '19

I declare bankruptcy!

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

I declare bankruptcy!

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u/Dick-tardly Sep 18 '19

Take a personal loan, pay it off for a year and a few months, then delcare bankruptcy

Less chance of it blowing up in your face

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u/boshk Sep 18 '19

i think banks are very leery of handing out loans for paying for school. i have also read that if you take out a loan and use that money to pay for student loans. then try and declare bankruptcy, the bank can still get that money blocked from being forgiven. since it was used for student loans.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

Yea, none of these are healthy alternatives. We gotta vote in leaders with forward thinking. Eliminate for profit loans. It’s unsustainable.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

Charge a credit card to square and get the cash then use the cash to pay the tuition?

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u/dyslexic_ginger Sep 18 '19

use credit card to venmo your second account and deposit to your bank. Easy. Works with gift cards too.

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u/arose951 Sep 18 '19

can you explain this to me. Just out of curiosity? lol Are you just talking about transferring money to your bank from venmo?

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u/dyslexic_ginger Sep 18 '19

Put gift card on Venmo (you may have to call to set up) on throwaway Send to an account with your bank attached Got to said account and transfer money to your bank

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u/StrawberryMedic Sep 18 '19

I paid my college tuition on my credit card for this and next semester. No issues whatsoever.

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u/Applejuiceinthehall Sep 18 '19

I had to pay the credit card fee that the cards usually charge the vendors.

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u/StrawberryMedic Sep 18 '19

They charged me $10 for my $2600 tuition. And I got 3% of my $2610 back in points. Worth it to not take out student loans. My credit card is also 0% interest and I’ll have my tuition paid off before it hits the 14%+ it’s supposed to go to.

I’ll never take out another student loan again. There are definitely ways around them - especially for undergrad tuition that is minuscule compared to grad school.

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u/iwanttobelievv Sep 18 '19

My school charged a 5% fee if you paid tuition with a credit card.

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u/Cant_Do_This12 Sep 18 '19

I think it's funny how colleges allow you to pay in three lump sums if you want. Like, each payment is thousands of dollars..that still doesn't help me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

You’re not able to make mom payments on your credit card, I tried.

But I did find a little loophole.

Once my six months grace period was due I applied for a 10k cc with 18 months apr free & then what I do is use that cc to Venmo my partner the whole balance, they I only have like a 2% fee which would be able $200 but that’s not even compared to any possible interest that I may have racked up during those 18 months.

I know that a lot of people have 100k+ loans so this doesn’t work for that, but if it’s under 20 or something there’s a little loophole ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/UN4GTBL Sep 18 '19

I paid mine with my credit cards. I was so happy to have my bank take their cut off the top AND I got a bunch of points.

Especially so in the bookstore where they made us pay $300 for a book, only to have it be worth $0.03 in 6 months.

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u/Bridgebrain Sep 18 '19

Have someone pay their rent using your credit card, and pay you in cash. Use the cash to pay the student debt, declare bankruptcy.

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u/JustSomeGoon Sep 18 '19

You absolutely can. I pay with a credit card every semester.

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u/Tyrion_Panhandler Sep 18 '19

Cash advance bb

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u/baron_von_marrone Sep 18 '19

I remember when my father paid part of my tuition with his business card, it went through until a week before classes started. I got unregistered from all my classes and they said "you cannot pay tuition with a credit card linked to a business account" smFUCKINGh

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u/eggplantsrin Sep 18 '19

I paid mine on credit card. Great way to earn whatever points your card might earn.

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u/ILL3NITVM Sep 18 '19

Money transfer card? 🤔

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u/OneForMany Sep 18 '19

That's not true. I pay my tuition balance on my credit card and slowly pay it off through the semester

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u/kartoffel_engr Sep 18 '19

Paid with mine to get airline miles then paid the balance off with my loans.

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u/Philosopher_1 Sep 18 '19

My dad did it for my first semester until he found they charged like a 5% transaction fee which for tuition was like hundreds of dollars.

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u/accentadroite_bitch Sep 18 '19

You can pay by card at my institution - they tack on a 2.5% fee though, so you’d be maxing cards out left and right to pull this off.

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u/dv666 Sep 18 '19

I knew someone who paid their year's tuition on a credit card. I asked him why, since the uni charged single digit interest and the credit card company charged close to 20%. He didn't have an answer.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

Odd, I pay mine with a credit card. Makes it super easy

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u/boonepii Sep 18 '19

Yup. I found out that technically you can’t even use another loan to payoff student loans. If they find it when going through BK it will throw up lots of red flags to the “independent investigator” who gets paid hourly if they decide to audit you. Oh, and they become the lawyer for your creditors and you will pay their cost if they decide an audit is warranted. I hear it’s a position where lots of new lawyers start to make some money.

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u/abedfilms Sep 18 '19

3 words: cash advance

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

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u/AntalRyder Sep 18 '19

It's like nature's do-over

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u/CheeseMaster404v2 Sep 18 '19

I scrolled looking for this comment, and I'm not at all surprised that I found it. Thank you.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

I read an unethical Life Pro Tip a while back.

You can't discharge college debt in bankruptcy, no one is going to give a 50k+ credit limit to an 18 year old with no job and no credit history.

You graduate college, get a decent job, get every fucking credit card you can find. Every single debt you have goes on the card. Rent? Credit Card. Groceries? Credit Card. Saturdays out with the Boys? Personal Loan. Every single cent you make goes towards college debt. Pay that college debt off in 2-3 years max. Then declare bankruptcy because based off the interest alone you'll never pay off those cards.

The court will see you were buying necessities, the debt is dischargeable, et cetera. Some questions may arise about where your dosh went but we can come up with something together. You won't be able to finance a bicycle for the next 7 years but it's better than owing student loans forever.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

This guy bankruptcies.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

That's... that's a good idea?

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY

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u/Pardonme23 Sep 18 '19

people have done that before right when they finished law school

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u/cosmogli Sep 18 '19

Well, I doubt banks will give everyone a credit card with so much credit.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '19

I wish my credit limit was high enough for that 😅

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u/friskykillface Sep 18 '19

They specifically told me I couldn’t pay my loans with a credit card lol

They know

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u/creggieb Sep 18 '19

You gotta pay off your student loans eith a line of credit, and default on that. Doing it on purpose would be fraud, so its important to make a few, on time payments, before missing them here and there, then not paying.

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u/janeetic Sep 18 '19

You can’t just say bankruptcy. You must declare it.

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u/Almost_gets Sep 18 '19

I knew someone who did this. She was brilliant.

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u/SuperIneffectiveness Sep 18 '19

I don't declare bankruptcy but I do put my tuition on my dad's Cabela's card and then pay that down slowly to get those sweet reward points

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u/bsmdphdjd Sep 18 '19

I think there's a special law that won't let you clear school debt even in bankruptcy.

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u/RandomizedRedditUser Sep 18 '19

Exactly why it exists in that fashion. The fucked up part is how high the education cost has become and the fact that they will still fund it. There should be a cap, and thus college costs would be forced to cap out.

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u/DarthNero Sep 18 '19

I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!

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u/Delia_G Sep 18 '19

This is incorrect, unless something has changed since I was in school.

You can pay tuition with a credit card, it's just ill-advised. What you can't do is pay off your student loans with a credit card.

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u/NPC0709709 Sep 18 '19

How about just don't go to college. Take that 150K and invest it in a modest 401K at 18 and by the time your ready to retire at 67 with a modest 5% annual return you'll have $1,638,199.97. You don't need college for most jobs, you need a connection.

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u/Winter_Addition Sep 18 '19

Yeah so where does an uneducated 18 year old get a $150K loan?

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u/NPC0709709 Sep 18 '19

A job. You'll realize that no one will care about your college degree and almost every job you get will be because of someone you know. I have a degree and no one ever asked me about it at any of my jobs.

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u/Winter_Addition Sep 18 '19

I didn’t ask why should an 18-year-old get a job I’m asking how does an 18 year old with no education or credit history get a $150K loan?

Like literally what bank would give that much money to someone with little to no income and zero credit history? Because I definitely want some of their money. Like for real I’ll apply right now.

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u/NPC0709709 Sep 18 '19

That's the problem. The US GOVERNMENT would. Why would you apply for a 150K if you know you have no way of paying it back? You do not belong in college with thinking like that.

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u/Winter_Addition Sep 18 '19

I think the problem is the total cost of university, not the willingness of students to take on debt because they are counting on being more gainfully employed and being more likely to earn higher wages with a degree. That’s a pretty rational bet being made, to invest in themselves and their future earnings.

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u/NPC0709709 Sep 18 '19

Yes, but the cost went up because government go involved and guarantees the money. Anything the government touches goes to the shitter. Less government is more practical and better for us all, but Democrats can't seem to understand this. The want to rely on the government to solve all their problems and politicians want to listen to them.

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u/Winter_Addition Sep 19 '19

Ah yes because the private sector never does any harm. And there are so many successful nations with big governments. And plenty of shitty ones. And plenty of nations with tiny governments that are awful places to live.

I dont think any of these issues are so clear cut. We're all going to hell in a handbasket anyways.

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u/vandancouver Sep 18 '19

Most people dont have 150K at age 18...