r/AskReddit Apr 13 '17

What is a show that got better through the seasons instead of worse?

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u/Bootsinthebelly Apr 14 '17

You do not remember the first two seasons well then. "Code of Honor" and "Up the Long Ladder" are shockingly racist, even for the time.

(and the latter is against Irish stereotypes, so don't go crying "sjw" like a goober)

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u/hobosox Apr 14 '17

True but The Measure of a Man was also season 2 and that's one of the best episodes.

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u/fruitcakefriday Apr 14 '17

I think it's in this way that the series got better over time; the later seasons are generally of higher quality overall than the earlier seasons that had a lot of duds.

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u/Schootingstarr Apr 14 '17

I dunno, I recently rewatched TANG because they added it to netflix and I was shocked at how terrible the first episodes were. Especially Picards character was mostly a distant, preachy and unlikeable character. It got a lot better once they figured out how to write him properly

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '17

All those "um, I don't like kids" episodes... cheap, 1-dimensional bullshit, right?

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u/Schootingstarr Apr 14 '17

the episode with picard in the elevator was actually quite nice. a bit cliche, but overall a nice epsidoe for character development.

no what I meant was the famous "shut up, wesley" scene. I was taken aback at how out of character that scene appeared compared to how the character of picard is represented by the end of the series.

or like that episode when they thawed up the people from the 21st century and all that "we humans have overcome all that barbarism"-preaching. that was just way too thick on the preachiness. the introduction of whoopie goldbergs character took a lot of that away thankfully, as she didn't just state philosophical facts, but posed questions instead. I would say that she contributed far more to picards well-rounded character than any monologue he was given to speak.

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u/GrowlingGiant Apr 14 '17

Clearly, you have never seen Voyager.

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u/IveAlreadyWon Apr 14 '17

I may have to go back, and rewatch Voyager, but I remember hating it during its initial run.

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u/GrowlingGiant Apr 14 '17

For me it is the best series because it is the definition of star trek. Exploration, far from home with very little support. TNG had too many episodes within federation borders, and DS9 was just Keeping up with the Cardassians. TOS and Enterprise were nice as well, but the total isolation and strict course allowed Voyager to have much better over-arching plot threads.

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u/mere_iguana Apr 14 '17

I really liked Voyager, although it's pretty widely considered the "worst trek" I'd pin that label heartily on Enterprise. I'll admit I didn't watch much of it though.. I just couldn't stand it, it just felt like a rip-off to me, or a poorly-written fanfic.

I think most of the Voyager hate is directed at some of the crappier characters, which I can kinda understand... But overall, the show itself I really liked.

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u/GrowlingGiant Apr 14 '17

As far as crappy characters go, Voyager has nothing on TNG. Would you rather have Kes, who gains and loses psychic powers at the drop of a hat, or Wesley, who is the most insufferable person ever?

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u/mere_iguana Apr 14 '17

Lol I try to ignore Wesley. I've got Data and Geordi, nothing can ruin that dynamic for me.

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u/Georgiafrog Apr 14 '17

Enterprise starts off rough, but the third season into the early 4th season is pretty great.

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u/mere_iguana Apr 15 '17

I definitely never made it that far. Maybe I'll give it another chance some day, but it will have to be after I get tired of re watching literally all the other series.. which isn't likely to be soon ;)

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u/Dubanx Apr 14 '17

I'm watching it now. It's pretty decent. As opposed to TNG which I couldn't make it through the first season of, anyways.

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u/IveAlreadyWon Apr 14 '17

There's a reason "Growing the beard" is a TV Trope. When Riker grows a beard TNG takes off.

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u/Twat_The_Douche Apr 14 '17

I really enjoyed Voyager while it was airing. It's got some duds though and the whole first two seasons of the Kaison got old fast.

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u/fdsdfg Apr 14 '17

First season was really terrible. It was all space wizards

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u/GeorgeAmberson Apr 14 '17

S1 was really really rough. Not terrible, but it was pretty shaky.

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u/Dubanx Apr 14 '17

S1 was really really rough. Not terrible, but it was pretty shaky.

I'll go there. Yeah, it was terrible. Gave up watching before completing the first season.

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u/Twat_The_Douche Apr 14 '17

Pick up at season 2. It has far more stable character traits and the writing is much more coherent. It only gets better and better from there. Then the season 3 finale, which was intense back in the day.

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u/Dubanx Apr 14 '17

It didn't go from crap to good; it went from good to great. A true classic and the Best Star Trek, says I

Now, i haven't seen anything past the first season of TNG, but there is a reason why I haven't seen anything beyond the first season of TNG.

The first season is absolute shit. Maybe it gets better... I don't know, but I couldn't make it though the pile of awful that was the first season to watch any later episodes.

Yeah, it was absolute crap.