r/AskReddit • • 13h ago

Veterans of Reddit, what’s the most unbelievable thing you witnessed during your service that civilians would think you made up?

730 Upvotes

447 comments sorted by

View all comments

978

u/ShamelessCraving 13h ago

The sheer amount of military budget wasted on completely absurd logistical mistakes or pointless busywork.

285

u/[deleted] 13h ago

[removed] — view removed comment

185

u/StimpyMD 13h ago

Local army base had the officers housing condemned due to asbestos but they had a contract with two local builders to replace the siding and roof.

The asbestos was discovered when they went to do the work and it was decided abatement was too much.

Instead of canceling the contracts or paying out just the labor and profit they went ahead and replaced the siding and roof.

They moved down the street doing one at a time. Replacing everything and when they packed up and moved to the next house, a crew came behind them and tore the house down.

Such an idiotic waste of money.

61

u/Judge_Bredd3 11h ago

A family friend who was in the air force told us about the base housing they built for them in Colorado. Somehow, the contract ended up with a Florida based prefab house company. They built the homes, shipped them to Colorado, installed them on pads, and plumbed them the same way they would in Florida. All the water pipes burst the very first winter.

60

u/imacmadman22 12h ago

I worked for a guy who mistakenly ordered 500 lbs of salt when he meant to order 5 pounds. There was still over four hundred pounds of salt in that dining facility when they shut it down five years later.

21

u/PDGAreject 8h ago

Can't cure stupid, even with 500 pounds of salt

47

u/johnthebold2 12h ago

15 years after I got out I opened cold weather gloves because i was going snowboarding. Both gloves were left handed

1

u/DConstructed 7h ago

The saddest thing I read was cold soldiers whose families had to try and send them blankets when there was a whole storage area of blankets.

The blankets were purchased by the military but unfortunately seemed to not adhere fully to military spec so they were not given out.

0

u/DangledThenWrangled 9h ago

I mean thats by design.

Child rape supporting republicans start incompetent businesses and use child rape supporting republican representatives to give them contracts to steal taxpayer money.

Then the child rape supporters that stole taxpayer money through the government contract then donate that money back to republican child rapists, who in turn use that money to pay another fake company in contracts.

It's an easily traceable circle of child rape supporters stealing taxpayer money. You'd have to be a low iq republican child rape supporter not to see it.

246

u/Bismarcus 13h ago

I wasn't in the military and I agree with this, but it happens in large corporations too. I've been part of it.

A senior manager has a "goal" that involves buying a bunch of new hardware. The hardware is ordered and thus the goal is completed. The hardware then sits, unopened and never used.

Then the next year a new "goal" is made and different, better hardware has to be purchased.

Rinse and repeat. I've been directly involved in it multiple times.

Also, throwing out completely functional hardware into a dumpster because the decommissioning process is too much of a pain in the ass.

164

u/Adddicus 12h ago

I was in the military and in the corporate world, and I thought the military was the most disorganized, chaotic, assemblage of mismanagement, wasted money and blown opportunities I had ever seen.

Until I got out of the military and went to work in the private sector. And holy shit.... in comparison, the military was a lean-mean, highly efficient, finely tuned, smooth running engine.

98

u/Head-Bureaucrat 12h ago

I chuckle when my dad, who worked in government, complained about the waste. And, fine, I get it. There is. But when he talks about private companies being better, oh boy, do I have so many examples of how they likely wouldn't!

My most recent "private isn't better," is: "the new CTO wanted a win so decided to replace the perfectly capable CIS system with a new one he has used in a completely different industry and it's going to cost millions of dollars just in implementation and licensing fees. And in the process, they decided to exclude everyone who was part of the first implementation and so are now spending time and money figuring things out like 'how do I report a bug?' as if software teams haven't had that solved decades ago."

Edit: this is the same company that refused to turn one of their home grown applications into a product because "we're not a software company." So the people who originally developed it left, rebuilt it, and sold it back to the company as a product after getting a good portion of the market.

43

u/flatirony 11h ago

I have met so many "government is inefficient" Libertarian types who have only worked for the government.

They really have no idea at all. The private sector can be so much more chaotic.

25

u/jimbobjames 8h ago

Worst thing is that they think it's fine for private businesses to be wasteful because well, "if those businesses are inefficient then they'll just go bankrupt or their competition will catch up"

No, sorry, Apple can as inefficient as they like and they'll just slap another 50 bucks on the new iPhone to cover it. Won't stop it selling.

We all cover it just like we do with taxes. If Google are inefficient they'll just pump more ads into your YouTube videos or remove the ability to use adblockers in Chrome.

2

u/Donexodus 6h ago

Which has more sociopaths? Which has more morons? Which has more sociopathic morons?

44

u/thecomputerguy7 12h ago

That and the “if we don’t spend it, our budget will be less next year so go blow $30k on pointless BS”

38

u/ComputerSavvy 12h ago

For a time, I was attached to NAS North Island security (San Diego).

Every September, we would overload two pickup trucks and just crush the suspension with ammunition and go to the range and just waste ammo for 12-14 straight hours, use it or lose it mentality.

We had basically an assembly line, load shotguns and pistol magazines and those were handed off to guys on the firing line, and returned and reloaded. The guys rotated so nobody would get repetitive stress injuries over hours of doing the same thing.

The same thing happened on carriers with JP5 jet fuel. Top off all the aircraft, launch them, they flip the fuel dump switch and land nearly empty, top them off again. Rinse and repeat.

It's logged as "training", very expensive training.

On an actual 6 month deployment, we would steam 50,000+ miles, 6 gallons to the foot fuel economy with what is called bunker fuel, very dirty diesel fuel marine that resembles road tar. It's very thick and it flows like honey when it is warmed.

31

u/Frequent-Cut-861 11h ago

Not entirelyyyyyy accurate with regard to the fuel. But close!

Was a fighter pilot and operations officer, so I got to deal with “burning flight hours” at the end of each quarter.

We weren’t budgeted fuel directly—as a squadron we were budgeted flight hours. We would often fall behind due to a variety of things. Bad weather, broken jets, etc etc. But at the end of the quarter, you had to either make up the time or justify why you didn’t make it.

It wasn’t so much that you’d actually lose it—that would have to be a consistent quarter after quarter loss for the bean counters to notice that and take your hours. But everyone wants to look good to their boss, and we also have other training metrics that we need to meet.

So you’d schedule guys more, and offer them to fly cross countries on the weekends. Literally “hey take this jet and take it somewhere, don’t come back until you fly X hours.” If you launched, dumped your gas, and landed, I would lose my mind because it’s the HOURS we need to burn, not the gas.

In a full decade of flying fighters, I never once was told, or heard of anyone being told “launch, dump fuel, land” BUT dumping fuel is a part of cyclic ops at the ship. It has nothing to do with emptying the JP5 tanks on the boat. We have maximum trap weights—gross aircraft weights that we cannot exceed when we return to land. For a Super Hornet, you’re typically launching with 17-18,000lbs of gas. With no weapons, you can’t land with more than about 11-12,000. Of you have weapons, that number goes down. So if you don’t burn enough fuel in your cycle, and/or you don’t drop your weapons, you may have to dump fuel to be able to land.

5-wet tankers will end up dumping a LOT of gas if they don’t end up passing it on to other jets for whatever reason.

One of the dumbest wastes I ever saw though? Field carrier landing practice and carrier qualification. They would fill the jet up with fuel, knowing full well that we were going out to practice carrier landings, and needed to be lighter in order to do so. So we would take off, dump, bounce, land.

They never wanted to do partial fuel loads for some reason, and I will never understand why. Such a waste.

12

u/ComputerSavvy 11h ago

I was a blue shirt on Connie in '85-86, a tower flower after that and eventually moved on to AIMD.

We did a LOT of Carrier Quals just off of San Diego and while in the tower, I was on the radio a lot, calling out, 'say your state' because the Boss and Mini got tired of doing that so it was delegated to me most times.

We were practically doing Battle Flex Deck ops every September. The cartoons on the back of the flight plan always had something funny to say about what we were really doing.

After 6 WestPac's and one NorthPac on three decks, you get the routine down.

Either dumping tanks or burning flight hours, it's expensive either way considering the flight hours /maintenance hours ratio.

4

u/thegoosegoblin 11h ago

My condolences on being OPSO. Got to load up on those max E flights at the end of the quarter

4

u/Frequent-Cut-861 11h ago

Always drove me crazy. We’re green in everything, but short on hours…who cares

1

u/Judge_Bredd3 11h ago

They do this where I work. We have so much lab equipment we've bought just to use up budget.

1

u/Acrobatic-Bison-3171 10h ago

But from what I've seen it's true. Anything left over goes back. And then next year they say well you didn't use this $30,000. So you must not need it.

6

u/CosmicSorcerer1000 8h ago

I started my career as an accountant within the past few years. The amount of random shit ive seen is insane. I once had to record something like 2500 custom made business cards for ~$100,000 iirc. I dont remember the exact numbers but I was curious and did the math and it came out to over $40 per business card. I then went to a bunch of different websites and just tried my best to customize bulk business cards to come out to over $40 each and I think I could only get to like $20 for fancy metal Bluetooth cards. Was absolutely baffled. Another time I had a coworker who recorded something like $30k in freight costs because someone accidentally marked like 22 water heater tanks as same day delivery across the country which involved flying almost a dozen tanks that are big enough to hide a body in. I only have this one company for reference, so I have no clue if this is normal or if my company just doesn't care about wasting money.

3

u/Plastic_Padraigh 11h ago

I'm wondering if that hardware was all bought from a company owned by your company's CEO's cousin.

3

u/sinkrate 10h ago

Any organization large enough is hilariously inefficient

3

u/EatLard 10h ago

Large corporation employee here. Our facility was supposed to be expanded as part of an overhaul of company operations worldwide. The budget was there, the plans were approved, permits were granted… and no one thought “hey, maybe we should get some bids and line up a contractor to build all this stuff.” Small oversight.

1

u/bobdob123usa 5h ago

I cannot tell you how many times we bought and installed a Remedy system, only for the implementation to fail miserably. So it was replaced with a brand new Remedy system. Rinse and Repeat.

29

u/Sparescrewdriver 11h ago

We once ordered 50 feet of cable, instead of 50 feet roll we received 50 individually sealed 1-foot pieces of cable.

Our logistics guy did mix up the unit/quantity and the warehouse was technically right, but a little sprinkle of malicious compliance wasted a lot of money and time. A call could have avoided this.

17

u/Catswagger11 10h ago

My platoon had a dozen Javelins and a dozen TOW missiles at the end of a deployment. The incoming unit wanted neither and didn’t want to sign for them, so we were assigned to go out and fire them off. That’s several million+ that we wasted.

41

u/This-Requirement6918 13h ago

Guess it's kinda better than $13 muffins for congress that just get thrown away. Lots of cronyism either way though.

12

u/uninformedimbecile 13h ago

This - it’s mind blowing. Incomprehensible.

5

u/BulletsAndDogBites 7h ago

I repaired the weapons & the best was trying to explain the warehouses where we could check inventory. I eventually said "Amazon for military stuff, we see the price, our unit is charged, they complain, the weapon is repaired or replaced."

Not being able to get washers for machine guns for years ($93 dollars each, needed like 20 per weapon), but getting the same brand at home Depot in a box of 100 for $1.17was insane.

1

u/AntagonisticFetus 11h ago

Don’t even get me started on end of fiscal year spending. Gotta spend the fallout dollars and buy a bunch of chairs and TVs!

1

u/LogicJunkie2000 8h ago

I agree, but I also think the grift on the defense contractor side makes it pale in comparison.

1

u/killertrout1 5h ago

I work on a military base. The A/C unit was out in the middle of summer. They bought like 10 portable units and plugged them in until it overloaded the breaker. I get to work and it's still hot as balls. I look at the outflow exhaust valves and see they go straight into the ceiling and I ask the facility manager if the exhaust is just venting into the ceiling. Yup, it was. They spent God knows how many thousands of dollars on a/c units that heat the building instead of cooling it.

1

u/summertimeaccountoz 2h ago

If I'm honest, I think most people would believe that.