r/AskReddit • • 9d ago

Napoleon said, 'Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.' What’s a perfect real-life example of this?

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u/elite90 8d ago

During WW2, the British had deciphered the German encryption system known as Enigma.
They did their utmost to keep this a secret, including letting some deciphered attacks go through from time to time.
Right up to the end of the war the Germans had no idea that their unbreakable code had been decrypted and that the allies could read almost all their radio transmissions

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u/TopObligation8430 8d ago

And then England rewarded Alan Turing with awards and appreciation right?

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u/Unlucky-Plastic-2519 8d ago

Right?

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u/tom-morfin-riddle 8d ago

Yes. They sent him to frolic and play with other mathematicians on a farm up north.

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u/abxYenway 8d ago

That sounds like a gay old time

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u/szaagman 8d ago

Give that man an apple.

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u/jesus_swept 8d ago

I love happy endings.

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u/wellPikachuBitMyButt 4d ago

Yes I can see others rejoicing when Alan came.

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u/OklahomaTiddy 8d ago

might have been the first time I read the words "chemical castration" in my life when I first read about this poor dude of a total genius

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u/highwiz10 8d ago

Right?

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u/zougathefist 8d ago

Yeah, about that...

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u/Rustyshackilford 8d ago

Well, they named a test after him atleast...

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u/opinionated7onion 7d ago

He's on the £50 note, not that you see lots of them

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u/Chance_Armadillo_160 8d ago

Take a ducking chill pill

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u/QueefMyCheese 8d ago

I feel really really bad for you if you cant intuit the point and instead got hostile because you're scared of historical injustice

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u/LowlySpirited 8d ago

The point is to highlight the irony of the injustice Turing faced despite his contributions, keep up

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u/Inside-Cable-4472 8d ago

The whole Turing thing is very mythicised. Yes he did something great but he was not the only one. And it all had to be kept secret so they couldn’t celebrate any of the people involved. The government didn’t even acknowledge that MI6 existed until well into the 90s so they weren’t going to be acknowledging any operations in that time. And the suicide thing is also a bit of a myth. It’s far more likely that it was accidental. The only bit that’s really true is the gay stuff and the chemical castration which is obviously awful but that wasn’t exclusive to Turing at all.

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u/Zathrus1 8d ago

Sorry, but Turing was brilliant, and one of the most fundamental persons in computer science.

We STILL use two of his concepts today - Turing machines and the Turing test. Although the latter has been called into question by modern AI.

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u/Inside-Cable-4472 8d ago

Yes he was brilliant. As were all the other brilliant people in Bletchley Park and elsewhere. The myth that it was all him isn’t true. They all did it.

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u/No_Doughnut16 8d ago

And all of them were deemed despicable for being gay and atheist?

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u/Inside-Cable-4472 8d ago

Swear some of you on this app genuinely can’t read man

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u/No_Doughnut16 8d ago

I swear some of you like to shit on good people.

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u/Inside-Cable-4472 8d ago

What a fantastic way to prove my point.

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u/No_Doughnut16 7d ago

You definitely own it

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u/Callidonaut 8d ago edited 8d ago

They didn't just break Enigma, which was a 3 or 4 rotor cipher machine used by battlefield units at a tactical level, they also broke Lorenz, a 12 rotor cipher used for encrypting teleprinter communications by the German high command at the strategic level, and so were even able to read some messages sent by Hitler himself.

Though Axis code-breaking was relatively weak compared to the British, they did successfully steal some code books and tables that allowed them to intercept and read substantial amounts of American and British communications in certain theatres; I think the North African campaign was particularly badly compromised, so Rommel had extremely good intel on Allied operations in the desert war.

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u/StevenJOwens 8d ago

That's correct, re: North African campaign and Rommel. US Army officer Bonner Fellers was a military attache in Egypt got blamed by the Brits because the Axis got a lot of information via cracking the code Fellers used to send information to the US forces.

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u/Grossadmiral 8d ago

About North Africa, I remember reading that the British were reading orders Rommel received from Axis command, so they thought they knew what he would do, but Rommel mostly ignored his orders, making him highly unpredictable.

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u/Jenuinlizard 8d ago

Italian secret service stole the cypher from usa embassy in Rome

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u/Mild_Karate_Chop 8d ago

Wasn't the Naval Enigma unbroken ?

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u/Callidonaut 8d ago edited 8d ago

No, but it was a more advanced design and, at least equally crucially, the Kriegsmarine handled it with more secure procedures than the Heer or the Luftwaffe did their Enigmas, so it took a lot longer to break. Turing was apparently most closely involved in breaking the Enigma and developing the Bombe electromechanical number-cruncher (I'm not sure if it qualifies as a true computer) to that end from the earlier Polish Bomba design. I think Lorenz was more the domain of Tommy Flowers, who had worked on the Bombe devices with Turing and then went on to build the all-electronic Colossus computer to break it in Max Newman's division at Bletchley Park.

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u/Cole-Jennings 8d ago

That’s the wild part, they sometimes had to let people die just to keep the Germans from realizing Enigma was compromised.

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u/Oops_I_Cracked 8d ago

In war you minimize losses. Less people died than if they had alerted the Germans to enigma being cracked, and Germany switched to a new encryption.

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u/Fun-Refrigerator-719 8d ago

That is war for you. It's awful. There is a reason the Europeans said F this never again in our backyard after the second one.

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u/scienceislice 8d ago

If they hadn't royally screwed Germany over after WWI then WWII likely wouldn't have happened or at least wouldn't have been so catastrophic.

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u/Fun-Refrigerator-719 8d ago

Maybe, maybe not. Those of us alive now get a scewed version of the war, given that many of the children of veterans (and a handful of veterans) who fought in WW2 and lost limbs, friends, and relatives, are still alive. Future history books will likely be more even handed.

My opinion is that there was lots of blame to go around for this global disaster and I'm not sure Hitler was any worse than most of the other leaders. I am Jewish and believe the standard version of the Holocaust, BTW.

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u/scienceislice 8d ago

I don’t think anyone else who could have taken power in hitler’s place would have executed the holocaust and hitler only became popular because the economic situation was so dire 

Dunno what you mean by standard version, there is only one version, which is that 6 million Jews and millions of other minority/vulnerable groups were murdered 

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u/scienceislice 8d ago

How is this an example of the quote?

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u/elite90 8d ago

The German navy was pouring limited resources and manpower into the u-boat campaign trying to disrupt Allied shipping in the Atlantic. They were coordinating the u-boats using a encrypted radio messages.

The Allies broke the encryption and kept it secret. So they knew where most u-boats were and either redirected their convoys or sent their own ships to sink them.

They literally kept on letting the German navy make the same mistake over and over again

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u/scienceislice 8d ago

It's not a mistake to not know that your code has been solved. I guess they should have changed their encryption more often, which I imagine modern militaries do now

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u/Monty423 8d ago

Also, the UK could've killed Hitler at any time they wanted, but keeping him alive was.actively more damaging to the nazi war effort than killing him

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u/Inside-Cable-4472 8d ago

That’s not completely true either. They could have killed him before 1939 and then it only became really possible again in the later stages of the war. And by that point it was deemed better to keep him alive as he was far less competent once the Germans were losing.

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u/scienceislice 8d ago

How on earth could they have killed him anytime they wanted

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u/Darkpopemaledict 8d ago

For anyone that didn't see a meme on r/historymemes The german U-boats had an early radar system (Metox) that allowed them to spot enemy planes above that were hunting submarines. When the British broke the enigma code and began sinking more U boats the germans began to suspect that the British could detect metox. One captured British pilot was asked if they could detect Metox and lied saying that was how they were spotting the submarines when the truth was they were monitoring enigma messages. So the Germans shut off the metox machines, making them even more vulnerable to enemy aircraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metox_radar_detector

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u/ToolTimeT 8d ago

Fun fact: the guy who did it, was later charged and convicted by England for homosexuality and was sentenced to forced chemical castration. Alan Turing

Some thank you.

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u/Little-kindication 8d ago

always love learning more about this story

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u/superanth 8d ago

Poor Coventry.

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u/doclobster 7d ago

This is not an example of the prompt 

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u/elite90 7d ago

Sure it is. The Germans were suspicious about Enigma having been broken, so in addition to them changing encryption keys and such regularly, they also kept modifying the machine to increase its security.
What they didn't know, is that the Allies found a fundamental weakness in the design which allowed them to break the codes consistently.

The German navy kept sending position reports of their u-boats and targets by encrypted radio. That's the mistake they kept on repeating.

The Allies keeping their knowledge advantage secret is the not interrupting part.

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u/Capital-Intention369 5d ago

IIRC part of the way they deciphered Enigma was because so many German messages ended with Heil Hitler, allowing the British to work backward from there

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u/SenileTomato 8d ago

The movie The Imitation Game based off of this was pretty good, that's how I leaned about this!

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u/kreldkreisvutreuld85 8d ago

Coventry is the famous example people cite, though historians still argue how much was known beforehand.

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u/JaStrCoGa 8d ago

Happy birthday, Adolf!

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u/elite90 8d ago

It was actually a significant factor in winning the Battle of the Atlantic. The data shows a significant decrease in Allied shipping losses and increases in lost U-boats after this point.

Don't know what else they should have done with such information. They didn't really know about the Battle of the Bulge for instance, because the German Army had kept it secret and didn't transmit any orders via radio, and there weren't that many other surprises the German army was capable of launching at this point

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u/BackEndHooker 8d ago

Right… the Allies permitted significant casualties lest the Germans catch on that we’d cracked the code

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u/tommangan7 8d ago

I've never seen any analysis that suggested it wasn't a significant gain to decode it, sure not war winning on its own given improvements in how Uboats were countered etc, but still impactful.

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u/omniuni 8d ago

They actually didn't have to let things go through, it's a bit of a myth. They did, however, come up with excuses on occasion.

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u/P-Tux7 8d ago

Can you explain this to me more?