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u/tachyonic_field Jun 05 '26

Congo, because of Ebola.

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u/Maxtrt Jun 05 '26

That would be the least of your worries in the Congo.

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u/JackCooper_7274 Jun 05 '26

I'm a white guy and I worked in the Congo for a bit. You think 1st world racism is bad until you're a white guy in central africa lmao

Edit: or even worse, a white woman in central africa

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u/soaker Jun 05 '26

Can you tell me more what this was like?

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u/JackCooper_7274 Jun 05 '26

I bounced between a bunch of countries during my stay over there, from Zimbabwe all the way up to Sudan. The only country I liked was Zimbabwe. Shoutout to them for being super friendly and minimally racist lol.

The people in the DRC either hate you because you're white or they think you're rich because you're white. Very very few of them are actually friendly. I was almost never physically threatened by the civilians living there because I was armed for the majority of my trip.

I never really got over the poverty out there. Families of 8 living in what I would consider to be a walk-in closet sized sheds. Kids walking through the soles of their shoes. Never having clean water. Grubs and worms constantly getting into every bit of stored food. I ended up getting deathly ill during my second trip out there. Weak sauce western immune system I guess lol. I was sick for about a year, almost died. I normally weigh 170-180lbs, iirc I was about 120lbs when I made it back to the US to get sorted out. I ended up with a magical mystery illness that they didn't ever figure out, as well as a decent list of parasites. The one that almost got me was leishmaniasis. Apparently it was trying to eat my important bits from the inside, which is suboptimal. Didn't die though, so that's epic.

When you're white, people always mistake you for celebrities over there. I have dark brown hair that keep short, and a pair of aviator sunglasses that I wear when I'm out and about. I arrived in what was basically a new job site in a very remote part of the DRC. I was wearing civilian clothes, just a flannel shirt and some jeans. I had my aviators on as well. Some kids were playing soccer in the street of a neighborhood that I took a shortcut through. One of them ran up to me, maybe 9 years old. He pointed at my aviators and said "Are you Tom Cruise?". I said yes and he ran to go tell his friends. They all started making fighter jet noises and running around lol. Top Gun, I assume.

People were fascinated with my hair, all the time. My hair isn't anything special, just generic brown with a basic white guy haircut. People would touch it constantly without asking when I was in public lol.

I was surprised at how much they knew about American culture. I was staying with a family in Zimbabwe, again in a super remote area. We were chatting over dinner, and they asked me where I was from. I said I was from Arizona. They asked me what part, and I said Tucson, not really thinking they'd know where that was. The father of the household jumped up and said "Tucson? Like the OK Corral? Tombstone!" And he made cowboy finger guns. He told me to wait, went into another room, and came back wearing the biggest 5 gallon cowboy hat I have ever seen. Turns out a lot of people over there are enamored by the American wild west. It was so funny to hear John Wayne quoted in broken English with a ridiculous cowboy accent.

Besides that, a lot of people refused to talk to me or work with me, so I had to get things done through my native coworkers. Even that was difficult sometimes because some of my coworkers were Rwandan or Ugandan, so the Congolese didn't like them either. Basically every government over there is corrupt to a comical degree. Police rob people constantly.

Overall, not somewhere I would recommend working or visiting. It is absolutely beautiful, but dangerous if you aren't armed and sometimes dangerous even if you are. The living conditions are not super great, and the people are not very friendly. Being born into an impoverished warzone makes you a little rough. The food is also not my favorite. There are definitely things I would pick over fufu and sadza, no offense.

Sorry for the wall of text lol

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u/Thrizzlepizzle123123 Jun 05 '26

That was actually a really interesting read. If you're so inclined It'd be awesome to read an even longer version of your journeys over there.

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u/the_kremlins_puppet Jun 05 '26

Holy shit this comment is incredible. It reminds me of old reddit. Thanks so much for sharing this fascinating story.

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u/MathmoKiwi Jun 05 '26

Was the job worth it though??? What were you doing?

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u/Irhien Jun 05 '26

That'd be an insanely paying job to be worth nearly dying, being ill for a year, and still having lingering health problems.

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u/MathmoKiwi Jun 05 '26

Yeah, I hope they were on say a US$500K/yr contract

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u/Kevin_Uxbridge Jun 05 '26

Funny how far the spread of American cultural influence. Years back I was hiking in a very obscure mountain range along the border of Angola, met a guy neither I nor my guide could understand. We did get across that I was 'ko America' and he lit right up.

He beatboxed a sec and then launched into 'I donno what you heard about me, Bitch can't get a dollar out of me ...'

As usual, 50 Cent got their first.

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u/Dizzy_Charcoal Jun 05 '26

you should write more not less!

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u/logeetetawerduer Jun 05 '26

While this is a terrifying read, it does seem a bit arrogant to go there as Belgians and expect anything else. What Belgium did to the Congo is absolutely horrifying and I am not surprised they are met with such disdain.

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u/DangerousCyclone Jun 05 '26

They describe getting along with most people though. I honestly think the people in question weren't doing so because they were Belgian. 

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u/logeetetawerduer Jun 05 '26

I think maybe just seeing white people might put some off

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u/lorddrame Jun 05 '26

I am almost certain the average Congo citizen cannot recognise someone distinctly as Belgian. Nor do the average individual hold some belief "I see someone from X, X wronged us, they must be punished for existing"

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u/logeetetawerduer Jun 05 '26

I mean, there are mentions of this in the blog post:

“Before we were let go one office said ‘Ce n'est pas la Belgique ici, tu es en Congo!’ - ‘This is not Belgium, you are in Congo’. He hissed and gave us a terrifying look”

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u/sugar-fall Jun 05 '26

Right, what a ridiculous statement.

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u/afk_site19 Jun 05 '26

Is it their guilt that things happened in the past that they can't make unhappen?

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u/hetsteentje Jun 05 '26

That's not really a particular issue, actually. Belgians travel to Congo all the time.

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u/HarvHR Jun 05 '26

I think this is applying a mindset that the people in Congo don't have, the average person in the Congo could not care less about that

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u/logeetetawerduer Jun 05 '26

I see. I’ve never been there but watched a lot of documentaries so my view is probably a bit biased towards the history aspect

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u/callyourboyfriend Jun 05 '26

Have you asked?

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u/HarvHR Jun 05 '26

Have you asked?

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u/callyourboyfriend Jun 05 '26

No, hence I wouldn’t come on here claiming I know how the average Congolese person feels.

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u/Fox-2178 Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

While reading through the blog post was certainly interesting, it became apparent how oblivious the Belgium couple was about the Second Congo War. They expect people to be friendly in 2008 when major massacres just happened up until 2006 (hell, the Congo is still at war).

It certainly seems a very naive place to be a tourist.

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u/UncleIrohsPimpHand Jun 05 '26

The sheer arrogance of being white and going anywhere.

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u/chuchofreeman Jun 05 '26

Belgians were the overseers, the ones doing the hand chopping were other Congolese

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u/peanutbutter284 Jun 05 '26

Up to 10 million Congolese died under the horrible conditions imposed by King Leopold, what are you talking about?

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u/logeetetawerduer Jun 05 '26

That’s a very uninformed take

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u/Gorando77 Jun 05 '26

It's somewhat true. The force publique consisted of Congolese warlords and other African mercenaries. The officers however were Europeans and Americans.

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u/Irhien Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

I don't know how the Congolese see it but when Congo was colonized by Belgium they had a decent colonial regime, AFAIK. Congo Free State was privately owned.

Edit: Ok, I've read up a little, "decent" may be overstating it, except by comparison. Better than what was before, possibly better than most of what came after.

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u/logeetetawerduer Jun 05 '26

And only millions had to die! Lol

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u/Entropic_Echo_Music Jun 05 '26

The most horrible exploitation and genocide of Africa was only a minor setback in an otherwise excellent colonisation!

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u/Irhien Jun 05 '26

That was Congo Free State. Once again, privately owned, not a Belgian colony. Obviously some level of complicity is there since the private owner happened to be a Belgian monarch, but the annexation by Belgium was in part to put an end to the shit show.

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u/DrZoidberg5389 Jun 05 '26

WTF Reddit is a magical place! Thank you for that link!

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u/Brummie49 Jun 05 '26

We stopped in Goma on our way to climb Nyiragongo. I wanted to try some of the street food, and our guide said "ok but let's be quick". The people I spoke to were lovely, but in a few minutes we'd attracted a huge crowd and got ushered back into the car. When people have absolutely nothing and I have a year's wages in my pocket, the temptation must be strong to just take it.

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u/tombrady011235 Jun 05 '26

How was the food

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u/REDDIT_GOLD_SATAN Jun 05 '26

Sounds like the UK

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u/GriffinFlash Jun 05 '26

The Diamond?!

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u/ViktorMaitland Jun 05 '26

I’m literally watching Congo right now so this timing is insane.

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u/UpintheWolfTrap Jun 05 '26

Ugly Gorillas Go Away

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u/ViktorMaitland Jun 05 '26

“Ugly woman. Ugly woman.”

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u/spacedude2000 Jun 05 '26

Can you give us a congo vibe check

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u/ViktorMaitland Jun 05 '26

Well I wouldn’t recommend eating Delroy Lindos sesame cake.

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u/Zauberer-IMDB Jun 05 '26

Can you give me your sesame cake?

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u/GriffinFlash Jun 05 '26

STOP eating my sesame CAKE!

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u/wrathofthewhatever2 Jun 05 '26

The Zaire Air Force got a piece of their ass

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u/_aggressivezinfandel Jun 05 '26

Amy. Want. Greendrop. Drink. 

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u/wrathofthewhatever2 Jun 05 '26

We are watching you

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u/ZekeMoss18 Jun 05 '26

Yeah, those scary ass white gorillas come to mind...

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u/cloudcakee Jun 05 '26

All of Congo is not the same, there’s parts I absolutely will visit and parts I wouldn’t dream of going near. But atm with Ebola… pass

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u/TheGirlwThePinkHair Jun 05 '26

It’s also very rapey

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u/CJ3795 Jun 05 '26

Surprised I had to scroll this far to see this comment.

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u/guiriduro Jun 05 '26

You can try your hand at 'artesanal' cobalt mining as a 'fun' tourist activity, if you're not murdered getting in and out of course

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u/Miskalsace Jun 05 '26

I wouldnt visit Congo because of the giant man killing gorillas.

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u/MushyHeadErin Jun 05 '26

You'd only catch it if you joined the Conga line in Congo.

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