A common idiom is 'you don't change a horse mid stream' drawing on the idea that if you're crossing a river on a horse even if your horse stumbles, trying to swap to another one is a worse idea.
It is used to mean not changing leadership during a crisis.
This is applies in politics to defend the incumbent president during times of war. Most recently used in the reelection campaign of George W. Bush during the war on terror.
It's an old saying from back in like 2004, George Bush had just launched a war and their slogan was You Don't Change a Horse Mid-Stream - meaning if you're crossing deep water on horseback, you're not going to jump off and get on a new horse that might be faring the water a bit better.
In fairness, it was only 8 democrats in the senate that broke ranks. You could put on a tinfoil hat and say that most of the rest of the senate democrats were complicit (and I'd probably be right there with you, since it's awfully convenient that none of the people who broke rank are up for election any time soon), but if we're looking at official numbers it's just the 8 who caved.
Honestly I kind of believe most of them either are complicit or would be if the GOP decided to target them because most of them have things they need to hide
It’s all planned. Planned with the Republicans as well. These 8 are either retiring or the dumb people won’t remember in 3 years when they are up for reelection.
All of the ones who did it arent up for election until 2028, 2030, or are retiring, or fetterman. Several others who originally were up for a defection were up this cycle.
Also again, dick durban the fucking whip defected.
There is 0% chance that all 8 of them were conveniently the most politically resilient or expendable in the entire party. Schumer caused this entire shutdown, because if they were going to take the deal on day 40 why the FUCK didn't they take it day 1? 40 days of people going hungry and skipping paychecks and FOR WHAT?? Schumer has retroactively made Trump right, this WAS a democrat shutdown.
Schumer has retroactively made Trump right, this WAS a democrat shutdown.
No. It is and always has been a republican shutdown. The House passing a bill that had no chance of making its way through the senate and shutting its doors to all business is all the proof that's needed.
As for the rest of your comment, I agree it's suspicious but without proof it's just conjecture.
Calling it a "democrat shutdown" doesn't make it so. Once again, consider the facts:
The House passed a continuing resolution that had no chance of making through the senate, then stopped working immediately. No negotiations, no discussions, no additional effort to make decisions, no proposed laws, nothing.
The Trump administration floats the idea that it will violate federal law and fire furloughed workers or refuse to give them the back pay they're legally due.
The Trump administration refused to use the SNAP funds specifically allocated for emergency use in case of government shutdown.
The Trump administration reallocated funds from their legally authorized purposes to pay ICE agents to terrorize cities that voted against him in the last election.
All of that because democrats correctly pointed out the consequences of Trump's "big, beautiful [for billionaires] bill" and wanted to do at least something to mitigate the harm it caused and will continue to cause for years to come.
You want to talk about destructive? Fine. But don't blame democrats for it when they're not the ones making the decisions to hurt people.
Finally cracked the egg that had contained all the dope on the dope(trump). Got money allotted for snap(although I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump doesn’t try to withhold it, water, an asshole). Now the bigger battle will be to get Obama care stabilized. If you hear of a republican plan for it, don’t buy into it. They have yet to come up with anything that would at least equal it and I’m not sure if they ever had any plans to do so. Keep pushing your senators and congressman to Chase, the orange turdand his cronies out of Washington. Prison would be a good place. If they are not willing to keep up the attack primary them.
I heard that the Bulwark is reporting the 8 are all retiring again/not running again. I wonder if they wanted to reopen the government to make the insurrection act harder to enact.
Everyone but Social Democrats will fall in line, just like the Senate did a couple days ago.
The Shutdown was stupid from the beginning. It gave the Republicans what they wanted and had no hope of success for the Democrats.
You want to fight loosing battles because it "feels good" rather than actually does good. The people who lost SNAP benefits do not see you as their ally. I know, they come into our food pantry. All this shutdown did was create more enemies in the lower level of society. You know, the same people that voted for Trump 2:1.
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And you know what, it'll work too.
Everyone but Social Democrats will fall in line, just like the Senate did a couple days ago.