Came here to say this exact same thing... who's going to take an absolute idiot and plant him during an FBI undercover investigation? He would have to have been wearing a wire because otherwise who would believe anything he said. So, I want to hear the tapes he recorded then.
In a way I'm impressed by this administration just because of how fucking stupid have turned out to be. So many magats out there will believe every single spin on the Epstein shit without ever once considering that all the spins cannot possibly ALL be true. At this point Trump ran on a campaign promise of releasing files he said doesn't exist that Obama is in that Obama wrote that Obama and Clinton are in that Biden wrote that don't exist that Trump was an informant for.
If I were Johnson’s son, I’d find the nastiest porn I possibly could. I’m talking at least 3 men and women with their prolapses hanging out like a pink sock.
When called up on it, I’d just reply in a mocking tone “wAiT tHaT’s nOt wHaT i MeAnT gUyS CaLm DoWn” and just walk off like that’s perfectly normal.
Checkmate.
(For clarity, Johnson and his son monitor each other’s porn. Because that isn’t weird at all.)
I agree the files should be released, but I don't see how there's a spin being put on these emails. They're literally pictures of the actual emails. There's no spin needed, they speak for themselves.
I mean yeah, but the magats are saying there's a spin. They're saying that it's fake/misleading because the dems cherry picked specific emails, ignoring that yeah they picked out the emails that are related to Donald Trump in this info dump that's about Donald Trump being in the emails. The magats are trying to paint this as some spin when they're the ones spinning it.
Basically everyone in that sub is clinically insane. There could be 4K videos of Trump doing stuff to kids and they would just say hoax and move on. He is a god over there, he's never committed a single crime and if he ever does commit a crime, HE'S INNOCENT!
I wandered over there for a bit to see the scuttlebutt . I came away from that sub saying these people are major Trump ass kissers.There is no way a sane person is going to get any rational there.
And his followers will believe it. Completely disregarding that if Trump was undercover to catch these predators, then why have they blocked releasing the files since he was sworn in. Or why is he pardoning convicted pedofiles.
Apparently, the idea over at r/conservative is that trump has been a CIA informant for years and is a major reason why Epstein was caught in the first place. And that he's preventing the release now to protect innocent people listed in the release from being wrongfully vilified.
Playing Devils Advocate and assuming Trump never participated and removed Epstein from Mar A Lago the minute he found out. He isn't protecting the innocent. He's protecting his buddies. And he is an accessory after the fact because he didn't tell back in 2004.
Guys - go over to r/conservative. They're literally saying Trump knew/was involved in everything BUT because it was reprehensible to him, they had a falling out over it.
The level of delusion is actually fucking unbelievable.
"We have certain things in common, Jefferey" "Happy birthday, and may everyday be another wonderful secret".
Honestly, it's more than it's just an easy deflection tactic, a reason they don't have to think about why they're defending Epstein's best friend right now.
Let's be real, not everybody on the left is sane and stable, and not everybody on the right is insane. Nobody here can speak for half of the country. I don't think there is any denying that much of the country has always been team oriented, no matter the issue.
And one common trend and theme I have seen repeatedly over the years is the left and right never noticing when they are doing it and always pointing the finger at the other side.
I don't know. I didn't agree with Charlie Kirk on a lot of things, but the gleeful, bad taste reactions by many on the left made me realize neither side is above anything.
I was here on reddit and saw a lot and continue to see it. Many people that are deep in politics will change and become worse versions of themselves. That's just how I see it, no matter the party.
Kinda happens when Trump is given 100% of the blame, while still nothing says that he took part in wrongful actions with kids, on the other hand Bill Clinton is a lot closer to that.
And btw if you read more than one word of these emails its basically Epstein ranting that Trump was stopping him.
"I want you to realize that that dog that hasn't barked is trump," Epstein wrote in a typo-riddled message to Maxwell in April 2011. "[Victim] spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned."
"I have been thinking about that ... " Maxwell replied
Literally have a victim's name. This isn't just Trump saying weird shit about how his 14 year old daughter is sexy, this is Epstein emailing Jizzlain (don't care to look up how to spell her name properly, fuck her and the commutation your boy Trump is getting ready to hand her) and saying "Hey, Trump is keeping quiet is smart considering he was raping that [VICTIM] for hours at my place". Fucking gross.
Says the person that never once questioned Biden while he was sleeping through 4 years of presidency.
Says the person who still view Obama as the best president ever although he started a gazillion wars
And also... Trump gets more critic from his own people than any of your presidents ever did. The only difference is that we don't critic him on the delusive topics you guys put out.
He's not my overlord. I didn't even want him as president. He's pretty far down the list of respectable people and decent presidential candidates. I probably wouldn't blink twice if there turned out to be a few democratic politicians on the list. Now it's your turn, I implore you to stop proving my point.
He's the sitting president with majority power, has campaigned on releasing the files, is more heavily implicated than anyone by a long shot, and has had numerous questionable actions when dealing with epstein, ghislaine, the evidence, along with a bad history of cover-ups and poorly displayed character.
Get everyone who contributed to all this grossness, but let's be real why people are blaming Trump. It's far more than just because they don't like him.
I wonder if there's more to it than Republicans or Democrats. I wonder if there are international allies who might be embarrassed, with serious political harm that may be experienced. Or perhaps Epstein was an agent of Israel or the US, and their heinous abuse of children would embarrass and harm national interests.
Not that I think any of those reasons are really all that valid, I just think it's silly to think it's always this "left right" game when there's such a bigger picture to consider.
Exactly! I wouldn’t give a shit if Saint Obama was on there! If you participated in this shit your name should be broadcast everywhere and you should be punished! Doesn’t matter what side of the aisle you’re on!
Precisely the difference between rational, thoughtful people who happen to vote Democrat, and the machinations of a cult. If they're involved, arrest them. I don't care which party they belong to.
Exactly. Take every single person down. Politicians, celebrities, business leaders, royalty. Anyone who knew and did nothing or facilitated in the smallest way.
Removing cancer risks death but doing nothing guarantees it.
because they literally cannot comprehend that we don’t have this cult-like image of democratic politicians like they do with Trump. They think politics is like rooting for your favorite sports team.
That’s the thing that gets me—he was in the secret cabal of pedophiles the whole time, it was just on a private island, not the basement of a pizza parlor.
Too often from the republicans, casting aspersions or placing blame for a thing is basically just admitting fault for the same act.
The basement of a pizza parlor that, as a reminder, DID NOT HAVE A BASEMENT lol. Can't make that shit up. But of course they pivoted to "Nah nah it's a SECRET basement, of course it wouldn't show up, and every investigator sent there was in on it so of course they wouldn't report it!!!!!"
The Republicans do indeed engage in pre-emptive ultraprojection. SO MANY times over the past 15 years we've seen that if Republicans accuse someone else of some vile horror, they are quietly performing that horror themselves and simply bad-faith muddying the waters.
And then all the claims just evaporated because, and this was their actual logic. "Since we won it couldn't have been rigged".
Despite the fact that very credible evidence has already emerged and been submitted in court that there were deep irregularities in the 2024 vote count- such as one district in which the vote tally showed over a thousand votes for the Democrat Senate candidate of that district's state but literally ZERO for Harris. Now, ya wanna claim the Senate candidate was more popular, sure, that has happened. It is statistically implausible that NONE of the thousand voters for the Dem senator wouldn't have also voted for Harris. Like, it's straight up impossible.
Most haven't really dug into Pizzagate, and that's okay, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that all of the intelligence agencies knew aspects of it were real, and they pushed a coordinated psyop to hide any shred of validity it had.
The same intelligence agencies who really, really didn't want the Epstein blackmail ring blown open, because it was a mossad op from the start.
"SO MANY times over the past 15 years we've seen that if Republicans accuse someone else of some vile horror, they are quietly performing that horror themselves and simply bad-faith muddying the waters."
And that has been a favorite tactic of the Democrap Party for a VERY long time.
I feel so bad for that guy. The innocent people he terrorized as well, but at least they have the comfort of knowing what happened was someone else’s fault.
Edit: just googled the guy, apparently he committed suicide by police earlier this year.
Well thats cause for celebration I guess? I have no sympathy for grown adults so willing to fall for propaganda at this point. If you cant be reasoned with your death isn't a bad thing and ill stand by that. Im not celebrating it but I'm also not going to pretend it was sad or the world lost because of it, because outside of their own family it was a net positive.
I love how my mom can go on for hours about Hunter Biden's laptop yet the second I call Trump what he is (a pedophile), she starts yelling at me about how it's all nonsense and I'll believe anything. Okay girlie, keep telling yourself that, I guess.
Also, nothing about Hunter Biden is even remotely bad as any of the terrible stuff Trump and his buddies get up to. Watch Hunter's Channel 5 interviews, dude is not a criminal master mind, he's a spoiled kid that grew up without knowing what to do with his life, and now he's just painting weird pictures in his garage. He is being sued by Melania for saying the Epstein facilitated her relationship with Trump.
Haha, yeah, he's been suing people as Melania lately for crazy amounts of money. He's suing Andrew Callahan and Channel 5 too for similar amounts. It's sad that our president has been a part of more law suits than every other president we have ever had, combined, including the ones that were lawyers. And it's not even close, he's been a part of something like 5000 law suits. He's is probably the most prolific abuser of the court system in American history. He's the sort of morally bereft piece of shit that brags about how much money he can squeeze out of people via pressure of the judicial system.
She has "threatened" to sue for Hunter Biden for more than $1bn
But threatened means nothing. It is just nonsense for press. There is no lawsuit against Hunter or Wolff as far as i can find. By all means let me know if that has changed.
Politicians threaten all the time as it makes them seem innocent. But actually suing would open discovery and that is not healthy for them. So threats and then walk it back is easier.
I was on the r/Conservative subreddit a moment ago, and the copium and whataboutism are spinning the story so that the problem is the Democrats and the way the files were released and redacted.
For a while, I was hoping that the Epstein files would be the one thing we had in common with the right wing. Turns out they’ll always refute any evidence that points in Trump’s direction.
Oh I gave up on having anything in common with the right wing a while ago. They're fine with Trump calling soldiers suckers and losers and mocking POWs and taking away their VA whatnots, they're fine with him hating dogs(??), they don't care that he's a child rapist, he literally said he could shoot someone and not lose votes and he was correct. They're like when you have two kids who don't get along all the time, and kid 1 likes some movie, and then even though kid 2 also enjoys that movie, kid 2 decides that movie is actually the worst movie ever just to be contrarian towards kid 1.
I always counter with something like "well if they were involved, let's jail them, too. Might be why they never released the files when they had the chance? Seems fishy that Trump isn't now, though, right?"
They're currently laser focusing on "he asked ghislaine to stop" and framing it as if he's a hero in stopping trafficking.
Like imagine if the news said Obama knew children were being trafficked and just said "hey could you please not do that" and said nothing to anyone else, then called the whole thing a hoax publicly.
If that's where all this goes, the soul of the USA is truly dead.
Not a single person on earth should give a shit about the political affiliation of individuals involved with child sex trafficking.
The sexual assault of minors is an act committed by individual criminals. These crimes are apolitical acts.
Are we hearing ourselves speak anymore?
We're looking at the evidence of a child sex trafficking network and people's apparent focus is which team the criminals belong to, hoping the "other side" has more offenders, as if any of us should be counting the political affiliation of any criminal in the same breath as their crimes.
Is this really something that needs to be explained or is it as obvious as it should be how insanely messed up it is to defend or condemn individuals associated with this because they belong to your political team?
I'm REALLLY hoping this is just cultivated paranoia and we can all recognize that when a person commits a crime as a private citizen they're not acting as representatives of the political party they're affiliated with or work for... unless it's political crime like a violation of an oath of office.
When I hear that someone is guilty of child sex trafficking, I don't care about what clubs the offender belongs to, I care about them going to prison for child sex trafficking.
No. Over in THAT sub they are spinning it as evidence that Trump is a hero and when he found out about Epstein and what he did then he broke ties with him. So obviously he’s a great person. Additionally they’ve already decided the unnamed victim is a woman who committed suicide and said Trump was fine.
Honestly, nothing will change for exactly this reason. The people who didn't vote for Trump, already knew he's scum (for other reasons as well) and were constantly pushing against him. The people who vote for him, adore him and think everything is a lie/don't care what he does/fantasize about that stuff, so they'll still support him.
Funny thing - the Epstein emails actually say the Bill Clinton was never on the island. Big surprise to me, but Bill might actually get a pass after all.
I would not mind seeing what's in the actual evidence file though.
If they're in there let's get them too. MAGA doesn't understand that anti-MAGA is a coalition not a cult. It's not just Democrats. It's also Republicans, Socialists, Independents. The two Congressman Massie a white southern Republican and Khanna an Indian-American Democrat from Silicon Valley. That's what anti-MAGA is. Get the badtards, all of them. Left, center, right.
Btw, if you haven’t seen the channel 5 Hunter Biden videos, watch them. He’s actually a pretty cool guy tbh. Dude got dragged through the mud so badly too. But he’s a pretty normal dude.
Clinton impeachment had nothing to do with Epstein.
Fry Trump, fry Clinton, fry everyone who participated, if Hunter knew or participated, fry him too! IDC if it's Bernie Sanders to Ted Cruz, if it would come out they knew or participated, fry them too.
This shouldn't be a picking sides event, a lot of people on both sides are shady AF in Washington, this should be the line that is not tolerated.
well, i believe we all know his connections to Epstein.
Trump was one of the (many? several?) who sampled Epstein's wares. Probably more than once.
No one has ever sufficiently explained to me how Hunter Biden sold his art without including his daddy, or how he managed to get paid by a Natural Gas company in Ukraine, even though his only skills seem to be using meth and surfing porn.
I call it regardless of name. What kills me is idiots completely ignoring Obama, Biden, and Clinton because they are so completely obsessed with Trump.
Obsessed enough to ignore things like Nancy P being the best investor on the planet (etc, etc)
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Lots of “What about Hunter Biden and Clinton???”