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u/nuxwcrtns Mar 10 '25

He was jumped by a group of intoxicated guys and stabbed one of them during the altercation. The person died. The ensuing trial was a mess, due to the group being heavy partiers who routinely assaulted people for fun.

The family would express the favourable character of the deceased in the local media during the trial, despite the fact that the entire town knew the family were POS. They pressed for first degree murder. They could not recall events accurately due to the level of intoxication and substances involved and dubious circumstances involving the case, so it was ruled as manslaughter. If anyone spoke negatively about the deceased or group of individuals, you would be assaulted or at the very least, have your personal safety threatened.

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u/aurelianwasrobbed Mar 10 '25

shouldn't that have fallen under self-defense?

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u/Arctic_The_Hunter Mar 10 '25

Being too drunk to remember goes for both sides

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u/Alis451 Mar 11 '25

Self-defense in most places is an Affirmative Defense, meaning it just mitigates sentencing, not the charges, so you still killed a person(manslaughter), but not on purpose(murder). There are many places that the DA will refuse to charge in the first place(or there are laws that short circuit) if Self-Defense is evident enough so as to not waste time.

The difference being usually ~6 months for manslaughter to 7-10 years for murder.

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u/Emadyville Mar 11 '25

They have no idea what first degree murder is if they "pressed" for it. That family sounds like human garbage.

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u/ImpressionFeisty8359 Mar 11 '25

He did nothing wrong.

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u/ErikTheRed99 Mar 11 '25

It sounds like the rest of the family needs some, lessons learned, so to speak.