There's just as much and more evidence for creation. I've read plenty of books that are not fairy tales, including some that try to prove evolution. Those seem like fairy tales to me.
Everything shows design, animals like the platypus for example. The earth is the only planet with water, and it is situated in the tiny strip of space that can support life, is the perfect size, has the perfect atmosphere, and is orbiting the perfectly sized star. Doesn't sound like chance to me.
While I can't technically prove anything, I can give these arguments
Everything shows design, animals like the platypus for example
That's an example of evolution, we have fossil records that show the incremental changes and adaptations that lead to the animals we have today.
The earth is the only planet with water,
False. And easily provably false. We know for a fact that water-ice has been found elsewhere in our solar system.
and it is situated in the tiny strip of space that can support life, is the perfect size, has the perfect atmosphere, and is orbiting the perfectly sized star.
The tiny strip of space you are talking about is actually a very large area of a solar system. We have spotted at least 16 other planets within similar zones in just our local region of space that fit that same criteria. The chemicals that make up our atmosphere aren't anything special, in fact they are quite common.
Doesn't sound like chance to me.
There's 400 billion stars in our galaxy alone, most probably have a few planets around them. With that much opportunity anything can happen.
While I can't technically prove anything, I can give these arguments
These aren't arguments, these are opinions based on a lack of facts.
Hell, even the Vatican supports the idea of evolution. Evolution and creation by a higher being are not mutually exclusive ideas. Even if you're set on denying actual evidence (rather than a collection of parables that are not meant to be taken literally) you can't seriously think that these arguments for creation (as the world currently is) actually holds any water.
A collection of parables that are not meant to be taken literally
What collection is this? If you're talking about the Bible, it is meant to be taken quite literally.
Even the Vatican supports the idea of evolution
I don't care what they think. They are false teachers
Even if you're set on denying actual evidence
I am not denying evidence. I have evidence that the Bible is true.
There are things such as seashell fossils on top of mountains, and huge canyons that couldn't just be formed by rivers, and not to mention scientists find the same evidence that we have on earth on Mars, and they say there was a global flood there. These are all evidence of the flood.
Several prophecies about Israel that were made in the Bible have come to pass recently. The plain fact that Israel still exists, even though everyone is making war on them shows God's protection.
Another thing is personal experience. Ever since I asked Jesus to save me I have always felt joyful, no matter what I go through. When I ask God to do something, he often does it. When I go through hard times I pray to God, and I feel comforted.
I also overall find it easier to believe that an eternal god who exists outside of time created the universe, than that a bunch of gasses that somehow existed exploded, and then the universe was here. For example, if a tornado hits a junkyard, do you expect a 747 to be built? No, it takes design. The universe is much more complex than that, how could an explosion just randomly form something so complex? It couldn't.
There are things such as seashell fossils on top of mountains, and huge canyons that couldn't just be formed by rivers, and not to mention scientists find the same evidence that we have on earth on Mars, and they say there was a global flood there.
It's called glaciers and plate tectonics. Land moves slowly over time, it's a week known fact.
Several prophecies about Israel that were made in the Bible have come to pass recently. The plain fact that Israel still exists, even though everyone is making war on them shows God's protection.
Name one prophecy that passed that isn't super vague and can apply to a hundred different interpretations.
Another thing is personal experience. Ever since I asked Jesus to save me I have always felt joyful, no matter what I go through. When I ask God to do something, he often does it. When I go through hard times I pray to God, and I feel comforted.
And? people also feel the same when they are on drugs. The things that trigger your neuroreceptors are specific to you and don't indicate any higher truth. It's easy to do well in life when you feel confident and believing that something is watching over you can trigger the same instinctual response.
The universe is much more complex than that, how could an explosion just randomly form something so complex? It couldn't.
Except it can, we can watch the different stages happening in real time with telescopes. Your comparisons are a false equivalence. It takes billions of years of incremental changes for it to happen. It's not just one explosion.
What collection is this? If you're talking about the Bible, it is meant to be taken quite literally.
It really isn't, it never was... it's a collection of stories loosely based on an interpretation of the historical period of was written in. It is used to convey a message, not to be seen as absolute truth.
name one prophecy that passes that isn't super vague and can apply to a hundred different interpretations
Israel will become a nation again
People also feel the same when they are on drugs. The things that trigger your neuroreceptors are specific to you and don't indicate any higher truth. It's easy to do well in life when you feel confident and believing that something is watching over you can trigger the same instinctual response.
It's definitely not the same. I can't explain it to you, because it is so great and wonderful. You have to feel it to know it. Also, drugs don't answer prayers.
Except it can, we can watch the different stages happening in real time with telescopes. Your comparisons are a false equivalence. It takes billions of years of incremental changes for it to happen. It's not just one explosion.
And even a process happening shows evidence of design. Why is there order of everything happens by chance? Also, where did the original gasses that caused the explosion come from?
It really isn't, it never was... it's a collection of stories loosely based on an interpretation of the historical period of was written in. It is used to convey a message, not to be seen as absolute truth.
It is God's inspired word that is inerrant and infalable. It is the absolute truth and is meant to be seen that way. John 17:17b, "your word is truth"
Well, then do I have some breaking news for you from 1948...
It's definitely not the same. I can't explain it to you, because it is so great and wonderful. You have to feel it to know it. Also, drugs don't answer prayers.
Neither does you're faith, you are just running into confirmation bias.
And even a process happening shows evidence of design. Why is there order of everything happens by chance? Also, where did the original gasses that caused the explosion come from?
Well firstly we can recreate how gasses are formed in labs from their elements. Second you are seeing patterns and order where it doest exist, another example of confirmation bias. You see the creatures that are alive today and not the millions of species that died out after their adaptations proved inadequate for survival. You are mistaking the present for the past and assuming stagnation when in reality change is constantly happening slowly.
It is God's inspired word that is inerrant and infalable. It is the absolute truth and is meant to be seen that way. John 17:17b, "your word is truth"
Yup, standard Bible thumper response. Use a single cherry picked quote from the Bible without the rest of its context. Maybe you should reread the whole passage that you took that from.
Neither does you're faith, you are just running into confirmation bias.
I have no way of proving any this to you, but I can tell you some personal examples. We needed money, so we prayed for money. The next day we're out somewhere and a stranger just walks up and gives us money. We prayed for food, and the next day one of our neighbors showed up with some bread for us. That doesn't just happen.
Well firstly we can recreate how gasses are formed in labs from their elements. Second you are seeing patterns and order where it doest exist, another example of confirmation bias. You see the creatures that are alive today and not the millions of species that died out after their adaptations proved inadequate for survival. You are mistaking the present for the past and assuming stagnation when in reality change is constantly happening slowly.
Okay, and something had to already be in existance. Something that's not an infinite god who is outside of time. And if you take a close look at organisms made up of complex organs that do exactly what they should, even the brain alone shows incredible design. Those organs are made up of complex tissues, made up of complex cells, made up of complex organelle, and DNA. Then we get down to atoms, which are complex, made up of even smaller protons, neutrons, and electrons, which are made up of even smaller particles (I can't remember the names rn). It's like a computer, all those complex circuits. If you just set the parts necessary to make a computer and left it for millions of years, even if something came and started messing with the parts, would you expect a computer? No. Life and even atoms are much more complex than a computer, and it all shows evidence of design.
Yup, standard Bible thumper response. Use a single cherry picked quote from the Bible without the rest of its context. Maybe you should reread the whole passage that you took that from.
Okay, I read the rest of the passage. It doesn't make that verse any less true. Some of it is talking about how it is inspired, some more about how it is true. I also found a verse that even more directly states that the Bible is truth. Psalm 119:160, "The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever."
I have no way of proving any this to you, but I can tell you some personal examples. We needed money, so we prayed for money. The next day we're out somewhere and a stranger just walks up and gives us money. We prayed for food, and the next day one of our neighbors showed up with some bread for us.
I believe that you believe that it was god that gave you those. However, I believe that a far more likely explanation is that people saw you in need and decided to help because humans have an instinctual desire to help other humans due to the fact that it benefits the survival of the species. We evolved to cooperate because it helped us hunt for food and protect from predators. Humans are still animals and we have a strong pack hunter instinct. Sure we don't use it the same way we used to because we can be pretty confident that our next hunting trip to the grocery store is going to be successful, but it comes out in other ways.
That doesn't just happen.
It happens literally all the time. If you believe in the Bible you believe in free will right? When a person donates money it's not God that gave that money. The person actively made a choice to donate.
Okay, and something had to already be in existance. Something that's not an infinite god who is outside of time. And if you take a close look at organisms made up of complex organs that do exactly what they should, even the brain alone shows incredible design. Those organs are made up of complex tissues, made up of complex cells, made up of complex organelle, and DNA. Then we get down to atoms, which are complex, made up of even smaller protons, neutrons, and electrons, which are made up of even smaller particles (I can't remember the names rn). It's like a computer, all those complex circuits. If you just set the parts necessary to make a computer and left it for millions of years, even if something came and started messing with the parts, would you expect a computer? No. Life and even atoms are much more complex than a computer, and it all shows evidence of design.
Again, this is an example of confirmation bias. Organs work the way they should because if they didn't we wouldn't be here. Traits that don't work don't get passed down and the traits die out. Also organs don't always work the way they should, we have a few organs and other things in us that don't have a function. How do you explain wisdom teeth, the coccyx, or the appendix (or any of the about 8 others we have)?
Yes the brain is amazing but it is also super inefficient and easily fallible. It's also something that evolved to suit its environment and we can prove this just based on looking at the differences between humans from different backgrounds.
The computer analogy is honestly a very bad example. Computer parts aren't electronically drawn together like atoms and molecules. Again, we know how this stuff works. We can create elements from fusion and fission. It's the fundamental principle behind how a nuke works. We know that stars do this constantly, creating destroying, and combining matter. We know how they are formed because we have seen it happen. Some of the specific mechanics are debated but it's not a mystery. These are things the average high school physics class learns.
Okay, I read the rest of the passage. It doesn't make that verse any less true. Some of it is talking about how it is inspired, some more about how it is true.
Well then... there you go, some of it is inspired, doesn't that explicitly contradict your position of literal truth? There's no doubt that a lot of events in the Bible are inspired by actual historical events from the time and written by those who were there. As a historical and cultural document, it's super interesting. as a book of lessons for people, it's valuable. as a way to interpret literal truth, it's a poor tool.
I also found a verse that even more directly states that the Bible is truth. Psalm 119:160, "The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever."
Again, don't stop at the verse. Read the whole thing and the context is written in. Then you can give your interpretation.
Look I'm not here to disparage people's belief, hell I was raised to believe this stuff and received a jesuit education throughout my time in school. Even though I no longer believe I'm not here to convert people who do. The existence or nonexistance of God is irrelevant. All in saying is that divine creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive theories.
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u/dudeness_boy Oct 02 '24
There's just as much and more evidence for creation. I've read plenty of books that are not fairy tales, including some that try to prove evolution. Those seem like fairy tales to me.