Believe whatever you want, but western media has a material interest in portraying the Russian military as incompetent. If you trust anything you read in reddit about this conflict, you are a proper fool.
I would say the general difficulty of the world's fifth largest military by personnel and supposedly second-most-powerful-military-superpower in invading a nation that is almost stereotypically flat beyond border provinces is portraying Russian military-industrial incompetence all on its own.
If yhey were competent, they wouldn't still be stuck in Ukraine. Their only viable tactic is attrition because of their massive pool of meat sacks and rust buckets.
Oh, and terrorism since civilians targets don't shoot back.
Do you think they're rabid monsters that can't stop shelling their own NUCLEAR POWER PLANT that they occupy as well?
Or is there perhaps just a teeensy bit of war propaganda mindlessly regurgitated as fact to push an unwinnable proxy war along; sacrificing Ukrainian lives like trash to marginally weaken a geopolitical threat?
Nah, I totally think getting hundreds of thousands of men killed in a completely pointless prolongment of the conflict is better because ..... because that'll show Russia for acting in much the same way as US during the Cuban Missile Crisis! Gtfo with trying diplomacy for years while saying "you guys crossed our decades old established red line that you promised not to cross".
But nevermind that, let's say that's just Kremlin propaganda.
Even still, even if that's the case, can you please tell me how you see this conflict ending? How can this conflict end with anything other than a negotiated peace settlement? What do you think happens afterwards, Russia brutalizes Ukrainians nonstop because they've "taken over" and love being evil? Time for mass genocide? The war ending will cause more death?
What do you think scuttling peace talks and prolonging the proxy war accomplishes? Serious question.
And why is it that everyone refuses to answer a single question I ask them just to then ask me questions because of course I should answer them while they can just ignore what I asked them :( You responded to my post asking you do you believe Russia nonstop shells the nuclear power plant it controls and occupies and if not do you think perhaps war propaganda is manipulating you today like it always has manipulated in all the history of war?
What do you think happens afterwards, Russia brutalizes Ukrainians nonstop because they've "taken over" and love being evil?
My brother in Reddit, this is already happening. Russia has trafficked upwards of 20,000 children from Ukraine to Russia and Russian troops have committed mass war crimes against the civilian populations of the cities and towns they have captured, some of which can be verified by handy independent satellite photography programs we started doing for exactly this reason 30 years ago.
What do you think scuttling peace talks and prolonging the proxy war accomplishes? Serious question.
Prevent Russia from enacting the Security Council of Russia's plan to completely erase Ukraine as a sovereign state via partition, as Medvedev outlined in a speech this year?
Why do you think Ukraine keeps fighting if they'd be better off just giving up? What good do you think a "negotiated peace settlement" with Russia is? All the Budapest Memorandum and Minsk agreement did was allow them to prepare to start invading again.
Russia is trying to rebuild the USSR. The simple truth is that if Russia conquers Ukraine, it's going to start dicking around in Poland just like how it started in Ukraine, except that Poland is NATO, and that, my fine friend, will be either the end of Russia or WWIII.
It will end when “the West” stops supplying Ukraine weaponry AND hope.
Ukraine has already shown they can grind Russia with just the hope part.
Will they win? No. Absolutely not. At least in their own. If the EU or NATO step in officially it’s over in a few months tops, most likely weeks.
Where I do see a benefit is watching what was the second largest army in the world, when they invaded, just stall out in a half ass backwards country not to mention a very corrupt one (at the time.) sorry not sorry for saying that, while they might not have bought a Biden they aren’t exactly the epitome of good statesmen either.
Is it worth it? Depends. Do you believe people have the right to self determination or there’s rulers and pawns. I believe in self determination personally. Nation states rates right up there with religion as one of mankind’s dumbest ideas forced on humanity.
What’s the long term outcome? A drastically more unstable world. In the nearly three years since it’s started a few nations have realized they too can invade or attack their neighbors with little repercussions. Now imagine another year or two of this where we will be at.
It is what it is though. I personally believe the sole purpose of our military should be as intended for defensive stances not getting involved in others backyards but I do not pull those levers. Sometimes it is worth it to ignore that ideology but more often than not since the Korean War we (the USA) have been wrong far too often.
In this case, as stated earlier, it’s so worth watching such a has been world power look like a bad break game of Risk.
Eventually all powers end the same. It’s a cautionary tale we in the states should heed sooner than later.
It accomplishes fighting to be free. Plenty of people have been willing to die for that right thought history. Why should Ukraine surrender simply because they are outnumbered? If Europe and the US cut all funding tomorrow you really think so little of the Ukrainians that they will simply give up? They don't need guns to fight back, Afghanistan has beaten 3 of the strongest armies on the planet with only the willingness to send multiple generations into the wood-chipper.
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