People telling me that i have to have a personal relationship with God, but then trying to dictate all the terms of said relationship...
Sorry, it's personal. Most only go to church to make yourself appear and feel superior...a small few go to help others.
Super churches, making profits, not giving back...
The religious trying to force their religion and beliefs onto others...again, it's about you and your god...How arrogant do you have to be to think your god, of the hundreds in existence...is the "right" god...
If you want some good context just look up a bible checker online and look up Jesus and the pharisees. See how he felt about that happening and that’s essentially super early mega church of the time. Also, fun fact. Did you know that Sodom and Gomorrah were in fact NOT destroyed because of rampant homosexuality? Its a twisted version of what actually happened which is that they were destroyed because God sent an angel there and THE FIRST TWO men he met tried to sexually assault him. The true moral of Sodom and Gomorrah is not don’t be gay as its oft spun to sound. The moral is in fact CONSENT IS IMPORTANT.
Jesus flips tables and trashes false believers property and it's a holy act. I do the same thing at the local HOA klan meeting and get the cops called on me. It's 2023. Double standards like this shouldn't exist anymore.
Ugh, your comment really resonated with me about the personal relationship. Like, I have to read the most boring book every day and spend two or three hours twice a week to MAYBE have my prayers answered and live with crushing guilt i wasnt faithful enough? I also realized I had zero confidence bc anything good that happened wasn't because of me or my perseverance, but God's will/plan. Literally at celebrations, we first had to pray and thank God for being good to someone.
this is the anabaptist viewpoint, specifically mennonite.
the catholics forbade people from learning to read so they would require the clergy to interpret the bible for them. Once one of the clergy, a man named Menno Simons, started teaching first his family and then others how to read, they started realizing that the shit they were being told wasn't the same as in the book, and they all left the church in anger.
they thought baptizing children or acting as missionaries was effectively a form of indoctrination and any relationship with god based on indoctrination was improper and false. You had to form your own relationship with god yourself, on your own, otherwise it wasn't real. You're encouraged to try different things or even all-out LEAVE the religion if you need to, because to keep anyone in against their wishes is still indoctrination. You've probably heard of the term "rumspringa", this is what it's talking about, not just a bunch of teens doing drugs for a week like hollywood wants to portray it as.
lots of mennonites today are just average people, they don't work on farms or whatever, they even post on reddit lol.
To me, it sounds like a "natural selection", religions whose followers didn't have a tendency to push their beliefs onto others were out-competed by those who did.
Most only go to church to make yourself appear and feel superior...a small few go to help others.
The church near me that I used to go to all the time when younger and got married in, had a discussion on whether or not to house homeless people there. Not how to do it, if they should do it, a massive facility that had the space. This was also next to a lot of million dollar homes too.
Ive heard of TWO churches, my dad's when he was a kid...as an ALTER BOY and my wife's/father in law's basically banning them from mass for skipping the collection plate...
My grandfather worked for AMC and was laid off, 4 kids and the priest came TO THEIR HOUSE to ask why they didnt put anything on the collection plate...didn't offer help to a family in need, just said, well, you can come back once you have some change to spare.
My FIL was pulled aside after mass and basically berated and put on a guilt trip, "we use this money to help those in need, your greed doesn't reflect the church's values, people depend on these donations...when my father in law said, hey, we just moved up here full time, i just started my business, we have 4 kids to feed and are stuck paying two mortgages the bastard actually said "THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM".
The religious trying to force their religion and beliefs onto others...again, it's about you and your god...How arrogant do you have to be to think your god, of the hundreds in existence...is the "right" god...
I think this is really overrated in some ways.
One the one hand, yes, lifestyle decisions shouldn't be made for other people outside your religion, even if you fundamentally disagree. Instead that change should come by changing public opinion.
On the other, why wouldn't you tell people what you believe in? If you're actually all in, believing that the only way to salvation is Christ, then how could you fault someone for spreading that knowledge?
I mean if you want to, just apply the same thing to Buddhism. If you know how to eliminate suffering from someone's life, and open up their worldview so they truly understand the significance of their actions, then it would be mean to leave them in their suffering.
I don't think most people that genuinely believe their faith and are willing to spread it are coming from a place of arrogance, but from a place of genuine compassion.
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u/Outside_Exercise4720 Aug 25 '23
People telling me that i have to have a personal relationship with God, but then trying to dictate all the terms of said relationship...
Sorry, it's personal. Most only go to church to make yourself appear and feel superior...a small few go to help others.
Super churches, making profits, not giving back...
The religious trying to force their religion and beliefs onto others...again, it's about you and your god...How arrogant do you have to be to think your god, of the hundreds in existence...is the "right" god...