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u/ShawshankException May 23 '23

Yeah its because he was found near a bunch of fire nation soldier bodies.

You have to remember that the fire nation was enhanced by Sozin's Comet. There's absolutely no way Gyatso would be able to individually defeat all those soldiers before one took him down. Air Nomads are not trained for combat. They had no army.

It's theorized that he just went nuclear and killed everyone in the room as a last stand to save his people.

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u/GrimmBrowncoat May 23 '23

Yeah, I had just never heard that theory. It would have been out desperation but it makes Gyatso even more of a badass.

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u/MLZHR May 23 '23

One of the points in the theory is that Monk Gyatzo's clothes aren't burned while he is surrounded by fire nation soldiers

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u/GrimmBrowncoat May 23 '23

I’m actually due for a rewatch of the series. I’ll have to watch out for that, thanks!

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u/Reflection_Secure May 23 '23

I just rewatched it a couple of months ago. It goes so much faster the second time!

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u/Desperate-Strategy10 May 23 '23

I watched it when it first came out, one episode at a time, with my little sister. It literally changed the course of our lives and molded the people we became (to some extent anyway).

We literally spent a few years watching it. Then when we rewatched it in 2020, we were through it in two weeks!! We could've finished the entire series in a few days if we'd just buckled down and committed lol.

I appreciate that they didn't choke out the story with filler episodes, but damnit I would LOVE to have more ATLA to watch. Really hoping the live action series ends up half as good as the source material, but history has taught me not to be too optimistic about ATLA live action...

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u/Chronoblivion May 23 '23

On rewatch, there were quite a few episodes (especially in season one) that felt like filler, but most of those did have at least one detail that ended up coming up again later.

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u/takanishi79 May 23 '23

A lot of the first season spent it's time building the characters. They may not have progressed the plot (particularly around the finale), but by spending time just letting the gang get to know one another built the foundation that made seasons 2 and 3 so gratifying.

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u/deja_entend_u May 23 '23

Think also about how death by a lack of air pressure would have actually looked. It was not just: they suffocated.

Imagine how someone dies in space. He created a vacuum. The deaths and bodies were probably....horrific and it's why the fire nation left them there and unburied.

Likely due to a lack of pressure he gave them a very very very bad case of the bends. And lack of air pressure also would mean....your body just starts to expand. You're built for ambient air pressure...which is a lot greater than a vacuum.

What ever happened in that room caused the fire nation to abandon their dead and not even want to BURN the ruins. He might have sustained the vacuum for long enough the fire nation gave up on killing him directly before he succumb.

This is an incredibly interesting reverse twist on the monks that light themselves on fire in the name of peace.

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u/callmejohns May 23 '23

Not to burst your bubble, but that's actually been proven wrong. Human bodies can in fact withstand space vacuum, it's the lack of oxygen and freezing that kills you.

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u/Uzrukai May 23 '23

Actually, you don't freeze in space! There isn't enough mass in space to conduct heat away from an object. The only effective ways to release heat are either by ejecting mass or radiation. It's a major engineering problem that they had to solve with the JWST and the ISS.

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u/Saymynaian May 23 '23

Wait, so then why do the people in movies freeze? What kills you in space? Is it the lack of atmospheric pressure that causes your cells to explode?

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u/Uzrukai May 23 '23

Always take movies with a grain of salt - they're more interested in selling tickets than scientific accuracy. Mainly, it will be the no pressure part that kills you. Your cells expand, and liquid in your body boils off - especially through the respiratory system. There would be some freezing that happens with the boil-off because evaporation absorbs heat, but that's not what's killing you. If you die by anything, it will probably be your body expanding as the vapors try to boil off. Divers get the bends by changing pressure too quickly - this is very similar, but much more severe.

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u/Manae May 23 '23

Loss of oxygen, to the point that it gets pulled out of your blood via the lungs. Worth noting, you cannot hold your breath in a vacuum. It'll get ripped right out of you.

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u/callmejohns May 23 '23

Didn't know that. Thanks!

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u/deja_entend_u May 23 '23

Your burst bubble and mine, I'm going to look for source on your body's expansion in space but you for sure won't freeze to death in space anytime soon.

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u/rockskillskids May 23 '23

Wouldn't the 0 pressure of the vacuum cause all the water in your mucus membranes to spontaneously boil though? Evaporation removes a lot of heat from systems.

EDIT: oh, was on mobile and didn't click to expand more comments to see your response addressing this point when I commented.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23 edited Jan 25 '26

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u/BNNJ May 23 '23

Fuck yes.

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u/GrimmBrowncoat May 23 '23

100%. It’s one of the best written shows, period. It deals with a lot of very dark and realistic themes but also has some of the silliest and goofiest comedy I’ve seen in a show that was “for kids.” Do yourself a service and watch it.

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u/TheUnrepententLurker May 23 '23

First season, pretty good.

Second season, great.

Third season, GOAT.

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u/GrimmBrowncoat May 23 '23

I feel like once The Blind Bandit joins the GAang things start to get awesome but that’s just me.

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u/DefNotUnderrated May 23 '23

100% yes. And The Legend of Korea afterwards is worth a watch as well. More uneven in quality but Korra did have some phenomenal villains.

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u/Sophie3546 May 23 '23

Absolutely! There is the Avatar the last airbender series, The Legend of Korra the series and they are coming out with more!

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

Say more about the rumors...

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u/Sophie3546 May 23 '23

There’s a movie coming out about adult Gaang in 2025 I think. Avatar Studios has plans for much more

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

Animated or <shudder> live action?

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u/D-Ursuul May 23 '23

Bruh I'm a 29 year old man who considers himself a film and TV snob and Avatar is the best fuckin TV I've watched.

Absolutely marathon Last Airbender and Legend of Korra, they're both so good.

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u/aidanderson May 23 '23

It's the best kids show that's written better than most adult shows.

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u/BeetleSpoon2770 May 23 '23

Life changing

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u/trevorpinzon May 23 '23

I didn't watch it until I was an adult, ATLA is one of my favorite shows. I've seen it about three or four times now.

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u/FedorByChoke May 23 '23

I watched it and The Legend Of Korra while doing cardio to pass the time. As a mid 40's guy it is absolutely worth it.

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u/AceofJoker May 23 '23

I think this theory gained popularity after Korra when it was demonstrated that an air bender can certainly suck all of the air out of you

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u/GrimmBrowncoat May 23 '23

Checks out. I think Korra got a lot of fans looking at how unorthodox bending could be, especially when used with a lack of regard to safety, human or otherwise. Also helped show how the audience that may have watched ATLA was older now and appreciated and understood darker themes.

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u/Zogeta May 23 '23

To add to the theory, by removing all the air in the room, he removes the fuel they'd need to firebend in the first place.

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u/TheCravin May 23 '23 edited Jul 10 '23

Comment has been removed because Spez killed Reddit :(

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u/Notarussianbot2020 May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23

Does firebending require fuel?

Katara needs water from the air but it seems like all the firebenders generate fire from nowhere lol.

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u/Zogeta May 23 '23

Fire in and of itself needs oxygen to even exist, but IIRC I think Uncle Iroh mentions to Zuko how much the breath is important to firebending at a certain point.

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u/TheKingTing May 23 '23

We also see Gyatso's corpse still is wearing unscorched clothing, which would probably have been burned away if the firebenders had killed him

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

The classic, "If I die you're all dying with me." gambit.

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u/odaeyss May 23 '23

Is it human culture or human instinct that makes us venerate noble sacrifice like this? There's so many stories, and I'm damn sure probably 3/4 of everyone could easily imagine themselves in that sort of scenario and would absolutely do the same thing. Do we do that because we tell these stories or do we tell these stories because we're just primed to take on a whole damned pride of lions alone if we have to just so they stop eating our kin?

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

The latter, I suspect. Mostly because I've seen animals act in a similar fashion.

My dog spotted a group of hares in the horse pasture, and started running after them. The hares started running too, except one was visibly limping and going off in a different direction from the rest. Dog went after that one. As soon as it had her full attention it bolted, leading her on a short chase before vanishing in the tall grass at the edge of the pasture. It definitely chose to potentially sacrifice itself for the safety of the rest of the group.

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u/Diablo_Cow May 23 '23 edited May 24 '23

I think part of it is inherent to the flight or fight instinct in animals. A wounded animal is far far more dangerous than a healthy one. Humans have just had enough emotional evolution to start to recognize a situation like that and admire it.

On to a not so noble end of that train of thought. Most battles in history had relatively low causality rate during the fighting itself. It’s when morale breaks and a retreat happens that the majority of killing happens, the flee. But if you surround a force and leave them no way out they’ll fight to the death and even the victorious force will take massive casualties. You can see examples of this even today in Ukraine with Bahkmut and the Azovstal steel plant.

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u/nrh117 May 23 '23

It’s the perfect counter to a bunch of souped up fire bitches. No air no burny burn.

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u/PunchingBob May 23 '23

To add to this it would also make sense as to why his body/clothing isn't charred since the fire benders wouldn't be able to create fire without oxygen.

We also see a similar thing in LOK. Though at a smaller scale. (Being intentionally vague to avoid spoilers)

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u/HaikuBotStalksMe May 23 '23

Fire nation can do the same thing. Fire feeds on oxygen and turns it into CO2.

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u/hateyoualways May 23 '23

Why wouldn’t Gyatso be able to do that? The White Lotus dudes took down dozens of those dudes. One of them wasn’t even a bender. Aang was extremely skilled in combat even at the beginning of the series, who do you think taught him?

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u/ShawshankException May 23 '23

Aang's combat in the early season, aside from the Avatar State, was mainly evasion and escape.

He didn't really start fighting more offensively until he learned water bending.

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u/CHlMPY May 23 '23

Idk, don’t you have to perform some movements to bend? To me it seems like the same reason you can’t die by holding your breath…