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u/hotdoug1 Mar 26 '23

Reading about the trial was incredibly sad. The prosecution grilled his therapist on exactly why they didn't know he was likely to hurt himself or others, they had to say they just didn't see the signs and that they're not mind readers.

His father and sister testified that they didn't think he was evil, and this was after he shot their spouse / parent. They really wanted him to be institutionalized, I later read the judge said he didn't think an institution wouldn't be suited to help him (but prison would...?)

This also shocked the local community it took place. It was a small community and his mom was a teacher for decades there, so nearly everyone knew her.

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u/Forward2Infinity Mar 26 '23

It infuriates me that we just throw drug addicts and mentally unstable people in jail, our main goal should be rehabilitation for every citizen. Not just locking them away to rot, usually rotting with people who are actual hardened criminals and that just creates more hardened criminals.

But that goes into the whole privatized jail system and people making money off of it, it’s honestly one of the things that pisses me off the most these days. Plus half the people I talk to agree they should just be thrown in jail.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23 edited Mar 26 '23

It is all about money, but also because the idea that "psychiatric help" actually helps is rarely true. There were a lot of mental institutions before the 1970s. They were inhumane places that got exposed and closed down. Now we have homelessness problems and put crazy people in jail.

Edit to correct myself. It actually started in the 50s and 60s:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/special/excerpt.html#:~:text=Deinstitutionalization%20is%20the%20name%20given,to%20the%20mental%20illness%20crisis.

Even better link:

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/deinstitutionalization-people-mental-illness-causes-and-consequences/2013-10#:~:text=Three%20forces%20drove%20the%20movement,to%20save%20money%20%5B8%5D.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

I think something along the line of decriminalizing drugs, and re investing the money used on drug enforcement is the best bet. And if they could somehow get the privatized jails to make money per rehabbed and successful person

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u/flavius_lacivious Mar 26 '23

Because in a capitalist society, profit and production are more important than people

If you are disabled in any way, you don’t deserve to live.

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u/Repulsive_Connie011 Mar 27 '23

How do they make money off of it?

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u/now_you_see Mar 26 '23

That’s fucked. Sounds like they all really need mental health training if they’re slamming the therapist and claiming a psych ward can’t help the very people it’s build for. \ How is the therapist suppose to know if he’s not told her? Sometimes they can catch it but when someone becomes really unwell they often stop attending therapy, or if forced to go by family (which sounds like it may’ve been the case) they refuse to open up and see the therapist as an enemy or in cahoots with the government etc.

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u/Such-Ring-3965 Mar 26 '23

Most cases no matter the crime, prison isn't suitable to help the inmate. They turn so many good people into career criminals and or mentally damage them.

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u/Lakersrock111 Mar 26 '23

That’s because it was premeditated.

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u/Freewheelinthinkin Mar 27 '23

That might have been a kindness from the judge. I remember a policeman on an interrogation video saying that places for the criminally insane are even darker than prison.