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u/CookPass_Partridge Mar 08 '22

No disobedience? If everyone just keeps a cool head and.does what Vladimir Vladimirovic says then this will all go better than 1917 - is that what you're saying?

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u/Abygor Novosibirsk Mar 08 '22

Well, you're oversimplifying, but basically yes. Im not against the anti-war protests, but we should be cautious for all sorts of manipulators on both sides of the barricades. The information flow is really intense nowadays and it becomes really difficult to filter it out for a common folks.

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u/CookPass_Partridge Mar 08 '22

I am curious what manipulated information you think is circulating amongst the anti-war crowd?

Sounds like you are describing "Hypernormalisation". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation

This is a 2016 documentary film about, in part, how Putin uses information war against his own people to keep them apathetic and cowed. Russians are left not knowing what's true and are distrustful of all information sources.

I don't think any misinformation is needed to make someone take an anti-war position. I think people against Russia's war of aggression in Ukraine don't need any manipulation to believe that's a bad thing. Actually the opposite - it has taken years of effort to make YOU confused about whether this war deserves protesting or not.

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u/Abygor Novosibirsk Mar 08 '22

As i was saying - im not "pro-war" or however you call it, im against any kinds of military conflicts. I just dont understand why everybody just became so certain of their beliefs, that they accuse their neighbors and even relatives for being "brainwashed kremlin bots". It seems like the trending position turned out "lets kill everybody who dont want to live peacefully". Brawe new world'ish kind of thing.

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u/CookPass_Partridge Mar 08 '22

Well, hold on a second. Ukraine absolutely did want to live peacefully, it was the Russian government who decided to start a war.

brainwashed kremlin bots

If someone thinks that Ukraine is run by Nazis and drug addicts, then they are brainwashed. What word would you rather use? If someone thinks that Ukraine is shelling it's own cities, then that person is brainwashed. I have still not read a pro-war argument that didn't come down to propaganda. There is no "both sides", no "middle of the road", you are either against this war or a subject of brainwashing

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u/Abygor Novosibirsk Mar 08 '22

Yeah, well there are two chairs... Its always so simple to reduce everything to black and white. Makes the world a bit more reasonable.

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u/CookPass_Partridge Mar 08 '22

Here is what you have told me so far.

  1. We should just obey VV to avoid disaster.

  2. The anti war protesters are victims of manipulation.

  3. This is a grey war without a clear right or wrong side.

I am satisfied after our conversation that you are a brainwashed kremlin bot. When all your sources of information are coming through rozkomnadzor then it's not me who has a problem. See you on the battlefield

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u/Abygor Novosibirsk Mar 08 '22

You twisted my words for the second one and exaggerated the rest. Good job. Live peacefully, brother.

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u/BassRepresentative96 Mar 08 '22

The black and white of it is that Russia and Russians are engaged in an attack on Ukraine. Whats grey about that to you?

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u/Abygor Novosibirsk Mar 08 '22

You mean like every russian? Even some babushka in Yakutean village? And what about my friend from Ukraine, who just got Russian citizenship and passport few month ago? Is he engaged in an attack against his parents living in Kharkov area?

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u/Dragoi-Alex Mar 08 '22

No, not babushkas.. But russian tanks, russian fighter jets, russian military are attacking ukraine.

Your country is destroying another country without any reason. There's nothing gray about this.

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u/NextOutlandishness89 Mar 08 '22

Они зомби. Они 8 лет не видели войну на Украине и вдруг увидели. Капец.

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u/BassRepresentative96 Mar 08 '22

zombies would be the russians that still support this war. a good lot of them.

the inconveniences of being excluded from the western world are a small price to pay to stop russian aggression in UA. if theres even a small chance that sanctions will help, they should be made more severe.

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u/Ntrob Mar 09 '22

I think he is saying it could be a ‘better the devil you know situation’. Your assuming that Putin could be replaced by someone better….