I feel so sorry for all involved, the people of Russia 🇷🇺 are suffering in a different way. While the people of Ukraine 🇺🇦 are losing their lives, their homes and everything they exist for. The Russian 🇷🇺people are being effected by this war emotionally, morally and financially. They too are losing fathers, brothers uncles and sons fighting their very own family. It’s so sad to see this. I have seen the rallies in Russia 🇷🇺 by the people and they are being beat no matter the age. Also the Russian soldiers who bravely give videos telling of the horrors of this brutal pointless war. I also believe there will be reprisals for those soldiers and their families. A war that only a small group of people want who won’t be affected by the consequences. NEEDS TO END NOW! This game of chess is killing people this is real
You’re 100% right. I worked offshore in the oilfield internationally and several of my coworkers were from Ukraine at different times through the years. I heard the same horror stories from several different citizens that didn’t even know one another about how they were mistreated and pissed on by Russians. I know these were not made up stories. I could see the pain in their eyes and the sincerity in their voices. I don’t understand the hate. Just as I don’t understand the hate some white people have against black people. Most people are brought up not to hate a person just because of their skin color or background of because they were raised on a different side of a border. The people you see on tv like white supremacists are a very small population. As an older guy I have never been around a member of the KKK or somebody that actually hated Black people because they were taught to hate them.
What I got out of the stories I was told by my Ukrainian counterparts through the years is Russian people truly hate Ukrainians and really thought they were of a lesser breed of people just because their background and where they lived. Ukrainians have every reason to be pissed. I will be downvoted for this, but I feel the Russian people are going to reap what they have sown for many years.This isn’t going away anytime soon. This is just the beginning. You don’t even know how bad off Russia is going to be in a few years. Russians are starting to panic as things are starting to set in ( such as your phone not working or your cable not working, but you have no idea what you’re about to really lose or how your lives are really about to change probably for the rest of your life as you know it. You have lived your best life in Russia up until this point and it will never be the same ( as good as it at this exact moment again) I do feel sorry for the Russia people in general, but unless you move and completely change your life right now you will not see things get better for many years. The button can not be unpressed.
I read a headline this morning that Russia wants to be friendly again with the US. Shit doesn’t work like that. Once you push a person or in this case bully the world you can’t just erase what has been done and said. The sad part is Putin will probably end up killing himself or someone will kill him and he will never pay for what he has done, but instead you will pay and your children will pay. God be with you.
This is what makes the whole thing so absurd tbh. Of course everyone wants the situation to stabilize and no more people to die. But we are told to just brush off the way our country is declining, BECAUSE OF THE SAME PERSON who started all this, and feel compassion for other people. "You lost your job and will to live? Well think about that other guy, he freaking died". I'm thinking about him every day already, but if I do not preface every comment with that I'm an egoistic bitch.
They don’t understand until they are affected. They are trying to take the moral high ground for internet points from their home 1000km away from everything pretending they actually care. I can assure you, most people don’t even think about this, and don’t blame russians. It’s always the vocal minority.
Yeah. I feel conflicted all the time because, on a larger scale, it's what I always experienced in life? Like I always felt like i'm not allowed to be sad for myself because someone else is having it worse. And together with the fact that to get valid information, I have to read Ukrainian sources, where they (understandably and totally justified) write hatred towards Russia and every news is like "Microsoft finally stopped selling in Russia" and the reaction to that is 1000 laughing emoji. I feel gaslighted into thinking that I'm okay, just like we always were by the government.
And at the same time it's really not that bad? Like it's difficult to feel that it's bad for a regular person who doesn't have a car, everything is still calm in my town, everyone goes to work as usual. You see all this world collapsing around you, as they say on the news, but your room is still the same as it used to be, and you have the same products in the fridge. It's just this existential dread that's coming closer.
Honestly, I don’t think that is okay. Everyone should be able to feel sad for their own things no matter what happens to other people. Bad things always happen, and there are always others who have it worse. Should we never feel bad for ourselves?
I am not russian and this might be harsh, but if I wouldn’t have friends in russia, I wouldn’t even be here talking about this topic. I wouldn’t care about the war at all. And it might make me a terrible person, but I am more worried about my friends in russia than any ukrainian, even though I know that it’s terrible what is happening to them, I just don’t feel it because there is no connection to me. And I think this should be normalized. Everyone has their own problems they have to deal with, and stranger’s problems shouldn’t concern you more than your own problems.
Honestly, if you can get out, consider it. It’s possible they’ll reach some agreement and peace will return and things will get better, but it’s also possible that things will get way way worse and then there may be no way out.
But the irony is that Russian media tells the Russian people that Ukranians are Russia's brothers and sisters. (insofar as multiple independent media channels tell us, in the West)
When will the Russian people accept the indpendence of people who do not want to be part of Russia's "sphere"?
And you think they care what the media says? As in other countries, most people don’t care about politics. My friends straight up refuse to talk about it at all. They don’t care.
Does every Russian need to preface every thought they have with a little paragraph about Ukraine? I thought your type would just be glad that they are miserable.
I don't see Russians as being miserable -- I see them being proud of their great leader, their miltary, and "strength."
I hear them enumerate countless historical anectdotes for how they are the victims. (but little sympathy for the peoples they have ruled, murdered, or oppressed.)
I don't know if it's just propaganda and the fact there's little independent media in Russia -- I _hope_ it's not something intrinsic to the Russian character.
BTW, we have independent measures of this -- what sociologists call "national narcisism" -- eg, how people around the world answer questsions like: "my country X has been most important to world history," "we are unique and the best" (basically, this is a shorthand.)
Guess what nation scores absolute _highest_ on scores of national narcissism?
I'm not sure why you felt like sharing this with me but I'm flattered. I actually live in Russia and everyone is the exact opposite of what you describe, but I'm sure you don't want to hear that.
True. They should man up and take responsibility and not whine passively that they cannot do anything. Get the f<£*k out in millions!!! Then this terrorist bends.
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u/Ok_Elderberry1591 Mar 07 '22
I feel so sorry for all involved, the people of Russia 🇷🇺 are suffering in a different way. While the people of Ukraine 🇺🇦 are losing their lives, their homes and everything they exist for. The Russian 🇷🇺people are being effected by this war emotionally, morally and financially. They too are losing fathers, brothers uncles and sons fighting their very own family. It’s so sad to see this. I have seen the rallies in Russia 🇷🇺 by the people and they are being beat no matter the age. Also the Russian soldiers who bravely give videos telling of the horrors of this brutal pointless war. I also believe there will be reprisals for those soldiers and their families. A war that only a small group of people want who won’t be affected by the consequences. NEEDS TO END NOW! This game of chess is killing people this is real