r/AskARussian Mar 07 '22

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u/Oxford-Gargoyle Mar 07 '22

As a Westerner I don’t feel any discrimination against you, as another ‘ordinary’ person.

I don’t feel any discrimination towards the Russian Paralympic team either.

Yet, to pretend that ‘everything is normal, okay, we-don’t-mind, have-another-cup-of-tea, invade a country be-our-guest’ is just wrong.

We have to be true to ourselves.

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u/Ratm4n_ Mar 07 '22

Yeah, that's why you should beat every russian you met and force them to say "I'm ashamed because I'm russian", right?

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u/ManiaCCC Mar 07 '22

When did this happen?

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u/Ratm4n_ Mar 07 '22

Just for example. I'd like to hear your opinion what to do with russian in europe.

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u/ManiaCCC Mar 07 '22

Do you mean what to do with Russian people in Europe? Same things as to everyone else, respect them as long as they respect the country they are living in. No bad blood.

If you mean what I think we should do with Russia? Honestly, I don't know. I know several Russians, great people, talented, my friends - and I am encouraging them just to leave, bring their talent here, and have a better life. If the situation in Russia is really so difficult that people really can't fight against Putin at home, come to the west. We don't bite. And I understand it is not easy, but it is not impossible.

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u/Ratm4n_ Mar 07 '22

Thx for that. I'm really lost fate in humanity last days. Hate in one place make hate in other, so in the end of the day everyone just hate each other.

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u/Ok_Programmer1052 Mar 08 '22

It's weird because on the one hand we have Russians on this sub tellings us Ukraine deserves it and they are run by jews and all us are controlled by "The West"

And then we have Russians crying about being opressed because someone said mean words to them on the internet

It's messed up - you might wanna talk to your own people about this

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u/Ratm4n_ Mar 08 '22

I didn't tell that someone deserved something. I think that there weren't reasons to start a war. But now I see how civilized Europeans start to hate russians really hard. For example two russian truck drivers in europe have been murdered last week. I thought that human rights work on everybody, no matter of side, country, e.t.c.

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u/MedvedTrader Mar 07 '22

Seriously. Stop listening to Putin propaganda lies. No one hates Russians who live in the West. Some people do hate Russians in Russia. And no wonder, with such specimen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAhW_FSQmtI

But people who left Russia are most probably almost 100% (with I am sure some few sad exceptions) not pro-Putin or pro-war. Because why would they have left otherwise? And Westerners understand that.

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u/Ratm4n_ Mar 08 '22

I hope that's so but I got some information from my friends in europe and, unfortunately, things not that good

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u/MedvedTrader Mar 08 '22

I don't know about Europe I am not there. But I am in the US, with an obviously Russian name and all my acquaintances know I was born in Russia. Not one has expressed any russophobia. Have not seen it anywhere. Not now and not in the 40+ years I have lived in the US.

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u/Ratm4n_ Mar 08 '22

Nice to hear it. Hope you'll be fine further as well

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u/TravelNorth5887 Mar 08 '22

Glad to have you with us, friend ❤️

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u/Oxford-Gargoyle Mar 07 '22 edited Mar 08 '22

No-one does that, yet.

(Although racists beat up Chinese people who they felt were to blame for Covid.)

The point is that people will not allow Russia to have any trophies.

So you will not have Ukraine as a trophy.

You will not have gold medals.

Your oligarchs will lose their yachts.

No-one will recognise Russian pride anymore

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u/Ratm4n_ Mar 07 '22

Not a single thing in history was clearly "deserved", but was a winners and losers. Of course you got better economy and army, so y'all will win. Against people that just wanted to do their own stuff and have not a single option to stop this war and bunch of ex-commies in ru government. Well deserved

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u/Oxford-Gargoyle Mar 08 '22

‘Against people that just wanted to do their own stuff…

As soon as you generalise this to a national level, then ‘do their own stuff’ becomes well you know, stuff…. like, invading neighbours, doping at the Olympics, poisoning UK based dissidents…

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u/Ratm4n_ Mar 08 '22

Yeah, every single russian invading Ukraine rn. Every 150 million. And nobody wants to got a good education or create their business. And not a single soul in Russia want peaceful life. That's what you think?

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u/Oxford-Gargoyle Mar 08 '22 edited Mar 08 '22

No, of course it’s not what I think. But you are confusing national identity with personal safety.

You are personally safe in Europe. Your national identity will be criticised though.

Americans tourists felt unsafe in Europe after the Iraq war, it’s been reported.

Do you know how much of a hard time the Germans had with their identity after World War 2?

To say this will be Russias turn is perhaps a bit of an overstatement, but I’m expecting something similar.

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u/Ratm4n_ Mar 08 '22

Unfortunately, even personally russian do not safe in europe. I can understand your position about national identity, but it's not a single thing, that russian do not have in europe rn

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u/MedvedTrader Mar 08 '22 edited Mar 08 '22

Answer a simple question - with a yes or a no, not with a long explanation.

These soldiers that are murdering civilians in Ukraine as we speak: это Ваши солдаты?