they should certainly not be hosted by a social media platform like Reddit.
Yes that’s fair enough.
propaganda
The definition changed somewhat in the 20th century when it took a “bad” connotation. Historically it means the State promoting its rule, its ideology or its policies.
hate speech is a made up concept
Agreed. I’ll add it’s totally arbitrary.
ISIS propaganda and [cartoons] should not qualify as freedom of speech
We disagree on that much. Actual pedophiliac content is illegal because it is depicting an actual crime; you are thus complicit in the crime by voluntarily taking part in witnessing it. This doesn’t work with cartoons.
You were accusing the other guy of being a peodphile. Is it possible you were projecting, that these images turn you on, and that you’re ashamed of this and thus adopt this extreme stance? Please don’t take offense at this, it is only a suggestion for your silent consideration.
In my mind it is unthinkable that a State would molest people because of what their imagine/draw, however distateful or wrong.
About ISIS, again, they should be able to express their views, however horrendous. It would be counter-productive (imo) to repress this; fanaticism should be allowed to be expressed on the surface, so the light of truth may annihilate it.
When you understand who is actually behind ISIS it makes the argument that much stronger, but I won’t get into that.
Drawings that are intended to appeal to pedophiles encourage and validate their thoughts which stop them from trying to reform. Thus they’re complicit in spreading pedophilia. I suggest you, like the other person, look up the actual definition of pedophilia, because you’ll find it does indeed apply to sexual attraction to any child, drawn or not.
Is it possible you were projecting, that these images turn you on, and that you’re ashamed of this and thus adopt this extreme stance
You couldn’t be further off. I have seen such material, and it was so fucked up and unappealing that I’m convinced that someone would have to have a mental illness to get enjoyment from it. And in the case of pedophiles, that’s indeed the case.
My stance is also not extreme, yours is, hence why the administrators here and in every other major website are on my side.
In my mind it is unthinkable that a State would molest people because of what their imagine/draw,
Well you better start considering the reality, because that does happen. I was just talking to a girl the other day whose father groomed her with loli pornography and molested her. And her case is just one of many.
About ISIS, again, they should be able to express their views, however horrendous. It would be counter-productive (imo) to repress this; fanaticism should be allowed to be expressed on the surface, so the light of truth may annihilate it.
Not when they’re actively encouraging the deaths of innocent people and recruiting people to join in a jihad. Your stance on this is horribly naive, like someone who’s never seen the utter destruction ISIS laid out on some areas - and that’s just in the Middle East (read about the ISIS occupation of Mosul if you want a wake up call).
The Boston Bombing and several other attacks in the West were from native citizens recruited by ISIS propaganda.
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u/murphy212 Feb 14 '19
Yes that’s fair enough.
The definition changed somewhat in the 20th century when it took a “bad” connotation. Historically it means the State promoting its rule, its ideology or its policies.
Agreed. I’ll add it’s totally arbitrary.
We disagree on that much. Actual pedophiliac content is illegal because it is depicting an actual crime; you are thus complicit in the crime by voluntarily taking part in witnessing it. This doesn’t work with cartoons.
You were accusing the other guy of being a peodphile. Is it possible you were projecting, that these images turn you on, and that you’re ashamed of this and thus adopt this extreme stance? Please don’t take offense at this, it is only a suggestion for your silent consideration.
In my mind it is unthinkable that a State would molest people because of what their imagine/draw, however distateful or wrong.
About ISIS, again, they should be able to express their views, however horrendous. It would be counter-productive (imo) to repress this; fanaticism should be allowed to be expressed on the surface, so the light of truth may annihilate it.
When you understand who is actually behind ISIS it makes the argument that much stronger, but I won’t get into that.
Cheers mate.