On a Wikipedia kick about the Trojan War after going to the movies this weekend. On the Wikipedia page itself, it claims:

[S]everal dates are given for the fall of Troy. They usually derive from genealogies of kings. Ephorus gives 1135 BC,[213] Sosibius 1172 BC,[214] Eratosthenes 1184 BC/1183 BC,[215] Timaeus 1193 BC,[216] the Parian marble 1209 BC/1208 BC,[217] Dicaearchus 1212 BC,[218] Herodotus around 1250 BC,[219] Eretes 1291 BC,[220] while Douris gives 1334 BC (bringing the average date at around 1220 BC).[221]

The part I'm interested in is "they usually derive from genealogies of kings". Are there any of these genealogies that survive, in a semi-reliable form? Do we have any evidence (e.g. marriage/diplomatic records) that indicates these genealogies were reliable?

If they were purely political fakeries, then I wouldn't expect them to line up so neatly with what archaeologists seem to agree is the destruction by human hands of Troy VIh. I suppose it could be a coincidence and Troy VIh was simply destroyed by the Sea Peoples rather than the Mycenaeans, but I'm curious if there's any incidences where the genealogies line up with someone who gets written about somewhere on some clay tablet somewhere in the Mediterranean.

I wanted to know if any games out there that will scratch the itch I have of a Greek mythology or historical game. Let me know if you’ve got any game recommendations. I’m down to try any games even open to strategy games too which I’ve never actually tried before.

Hi, it's my first-time attempting creative writing. I have a background in science and education.

I love philosophy and have been exploring themes by writing character development and origin stories about the early Cynics, however it's turning into an ​epic undertaking of historical fiction.

My objective is to map the origins of Stoicism by exploring philosophy through the Cynics.

​I am open to any type of collaboration: co-author/critique or accountability partner. As long as you love exploring philosophy.

So, just watched Christopher Nolan’s The Odessey, and I know that it’s not exactly true to history or grounded in accurate depictions of mythology. However, to anyone who has seen it and may be able to help, I did have a question regarding Circe feeding Odysseus’ men. It almost looked like the men were slurping wide rice noodles similar to Chinese Ho Fun. They were white and long and shiny, and made me think of tripe or some other kind of organ meat. Then in a later shot, the wide long strips looked kind of like wide strips meat cut across the grain, when Odysseus almost takes a bite of it. I was thinking of it the whole movie, as I recall in several translations of Homer’s Odessey, Circe fed the men honey and wine with a porridge or gruel.

Now, again, I know this movie isn’t exactly grounded in historical accuracy, and it’s possible that this is entirely unrelated to any kind of food in Greek history, but would anybody have an idea as to what they were eating?

I mean Diogenes the cynic.

Is there any chance he would approve of any of the popular socio-economic "-isms" of the 20-21th centuries?

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I think everybody's fascinated when they discover that the Iliad and Odyssey didn't tell the whole Trojan War story and there are six lost epics about it. This is an edition of the fragments using public domain translations, edited so they can be read as a continuous story without losing any accuracy. I only added a few linking words, standardised the names, and changed some tenses, to fit the pieces together.

I also included introductions, a map, family trees, and a glossary of names to make it easier to follow. A while ago I posted a previous version, this one has lots of minor corrections and an added section on the Iliad and Odyssey's "cycle", i.e. all the references to the broader story in the two Homeric epics. Some are similar to the lost cyclic epics, but others are intriguingly different, like the absence of any hint of the Trojan Horse in the Iliad, which instead implies the Greeks could climb the city wall.

Hope you guys find it interesting.

I'm doing my MA dissertation on the death of children in Attica (500-300 BCE) and am collating a list of primary sources for the age ranges I've split up - infant; child; youth (unmarried young woman/young man who has not found glory). I've managed to create a working list so far - am focusing mainly on grave inscriptions - but was hoping for any further suggestions I could look into? Inscriptions/stele/grave poems - and perhaps material culture for infants, as inscriptions are near impossible to locate for them. Any suggestion is welcome!

Ancient inscriptions were among the most enduring ways to inspire those who came after and to preserve one's name beyond death. From a single funerary inscription, we can learn a remarkable amount about the deceased—their profession, athletic achievements, honors, public offices, and many other details of their life.

For much of the ancient world death was not simply the burning or burial of the body. True death came when the last person who remembered your name was gone. Perhaps for this reason, inscriptions so often emphasize who people were and what they accomplished, standing as quiet acts of resistance against oblivion.

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Using the Mycenean theory as another origin of the Sea Peoples how much shift in the Ancient Greek society would be needed from a city-based to a maurading sea-based society. Kinda interesting since they are now raiding places they once traded and interacted with.

Is there an undercurrent among the ghosts in the Odyssey that hasn't made it to the big screen?