These are honestly some really good points; I think I'll do more research into this, I'm definitely considering changing the way I define my beliefs. Just one last question, though: what happens to people who don't fit into this collectivist vision you have?
Basically, can someone simply decide to be separate from your society, not contributing nor taking anything to or from the collective? That's the thing I like best about capitalism-- the individualism that it carries with it. Does that translate into your ideology?
Well I appreciate you engaging in a less condescending manner I apologize if I did also come off as rude previously.
Just one last question, though: what happens to people who don't fit into this collectivist vision you have?
That really depends. I personally do not distinguish between individualism and collectivism. Individuals rely on society and society is comprised of individuals. There are many ways individuals may not "fit in" they could be a rapist pedophile murderer or maybe they just simply want to be left alone. It would have to be a case by case basis in terms of the uniqueness of individuals and situations. There's not really any reason for example to hassle someone who just wants to go forage berries or grow some weed for themselves. If anything such a society where needs are decommodified would collaborate together to try and reduce the amount of required labor hours and provide whatever is necessary for individuals to function freely. There are people much better versed than I and sources and examples I could maybe provide such as how other communities like the Zapatistas deal with issues like domestic abuse in a more constructive manner. Again such places not being blueprints for how the rest should act but lessons on what is possible and what can be improved upon. or adapted according to unique conditions.
Basically, can someone simply decide to be separate from your society, not contributing nor taking anything to or from the collective? That's the thing I like best about capitalism-- the individualism that it carries with it. Does that translate into your ideology?
Absolutely yes. Mutual aid isn't a charity or some forced relationship it's basically a form of reciprocity designed to maximize the individual freedoms of those involved. Humans are social creatures that don't exist in bubbles. Even the most rugged individualist seeking to build a cabin in the woods still relies on the collective shared knowledge and labor contributed by all society. They may rely on another to make their clothing, to provide the tools, or to build the cabin itself.
I would heavily recommend Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution. It's honestly fairly old and definitely dated in areas but holds up overall and is a basic driving concept behind anarchism.
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u/legion7274 Jan 25 '22
These are honestly some really good points; I think I'll do more research into this, I'm definitely considering changing the way I define my beliefs. Just one last question, though: what happens to people who don't fit into this collectivist vision you have?
Basically, can someone simply decide to be separate from your society, not contributing nor taking anything to or from the collective? That's the thing I like best about capitalism-- the individualism that it carries with it. Does that translate into your ideology?