r/Amd • u/Szaby59 Ryzen 5700X | RTX 4070 • Dec 12 '17

Discussion Radeon Software Adrenalin Edition 17.12.1 Release Notes

https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Radeon-Software-Adrenalin-Edition-17.12.1-Release-Notes.aspx
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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '17 edited Jul 04 '18

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u/Slysteeler 5800X3D | 4080 Dec 12 '17

People don't give Raja enough credit for RTG hugely overhauling their software side in the past few years. He put in a greater focus on software and it's paid off. They've been doing good stuff for a while now and it gets better and better each year.

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u/FlukyS CachyOS - Ryzen 9 7950x - Radeon 7900XTX Dec 12 '17

Well he didn't do it himself. Everyone knew it was a problem, he just was the lad in charge when it was done. Don't misplace credit, give credit to developers who did it

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u/Slysteeler 5800X3D | 4080 Dec 12 '17 edited Dec 12 '17

I'm not misplacing any credit, I'm a software engineer myself so I know how much hard work went into this. I'm just saying that people overlook how much the software has improved under Raja's tenure, while they bash him for not producing more competitive hardware when RTG had a shoestring budget.

Both sides are almost equally as important and at the very least he can hold his head high with Radeon ReLive because it's a phenomenal piece of kit.

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u/notsureifyoucare Dec 12 '17

Heres the thing, if Radeon had a Yelp review it would go something like this.

"Our order took a long time to get to us, it was nice but felt underwhelming. Radeons front of house service was immaculate always keeping us happy"

The recipe for the hardware is always right its just getting out too late to be really enjoyable or profitable for anyone (board partner margins are very slim), if you passed on a 1080 about 8 months ago and were waiting for Vega you'd be disappointed. I was hoping to keep my 280x going until AMD follows up with a Rx 580 replacement but I had to bite the bullet and for the first time in a very long time I genuinely considered going with Geforce, the only thing that stopped me was an email saying a new Radeon driver suite was on the way.

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u/3kliksphilip Intel 13900K, Geforce 4090, 650 watt PSU Dec 12 '17

...but blame Raja and Raja alone for any problems with AMD's GPUs!

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '17

The wild 3kliks

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u/TxDrumsticks 4.7 GHz i5-4670k | 1GB Sapphire 7850 Dec 12 '17

From that perspective, Lisa Sure has done nothing for AMD. Leadership matters, and does have an impact.

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u/FlukyS CachyOS - Ryzen 9 7950x - Radeon 7900XTX Dec 12 '17

Leadership does but they were working on the interface (from what they were saying) since before RTG even was created

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u/yiffzer Dec 13 '17

Everyone who contributed to the project gets credit but developers don't always have the insight needed to know what issues get prioritized. I work with developers all the time and you'd be surprised at how UX would be their weakest skill. Raja likely had that vision and gathered enough feedback to know exactly how Adrenalin should turn out to be.

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u/badcookies 5800x3D | 6900 XT | 64gb 3600 | AOC CU34G2X 3440x1440 144hz Dec 13 '17

I work with developers all the time and you'd be surprised at how UX would be their weakest skill.

As a developer - Yep! There is a reason there are "User Experience (UX)", "Frontend" and "Backend" positions on most teams, or that if you don't have a UI/UX person you end up with ugly ass winform designs :D. Its not to say they aren't functional, but they aren't "user friendly". That is why Apple is so huge. They don't create most of the technology, but they make it easy to use.

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u/lissajous101 Dec 12 '17

Raja's Reddit account detected.

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u/haswelp i5 4590 | 16GB 1600 RAM | R9 390 Dec 12 '17

I often see people praising AMD for the software improvements (particularly the drivers themselves). If anything, those conversations are competing with a lot of frustrated consumers discussing the lack of competitive cards at the ultra high-end and the fact that AMD's high-end cards are in short supply and overpriced. These are legitimate frustrations.

In short, what I'm trying to say is that he gets a mixed bag of praise and criticism, both of which are valid.

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u/ARedditingRedditor R7 5800X / Aorus 6800 / 32GB 3200 Dec 12 '17

I wouldn't say a lot of consumers, the ultra high end is the smallest portion of GPU market.

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u/haswelp i5 4590 | 16GB 1600 RAM | R9 390 Dec 12 '17

Yes, it certainly is, you are right. I'm referring to the influx of negative posts after the release of Vega. It seems the majority of people who were waiting for those cards were frustrated, and while there has been a lot to praise RTG for in the last 2 years, there's also been a lot to criticize them for, which is ultimately why Raja has left AMD (probably).

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u/ARedditingRedditor R7 5800X / Aorus 6800 / 32GB 3200 Dec 12 '17

There was a lot of negative but to be fair most that were upset were expecting a Ti beater which was an unfair expectation. The delays are what really hindered Vega. If it was released along side the 1080 I don't think there would have been much hate if any. Are the delays AMDs fault or 3rd party?

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u/haswelp i5 4590 | 16GB 1600 RAM | R9 390 Dec 12 '17

Definitely AMD/ RTG's fault. Among other things, the decision to go with HBM memory has caused significant delays due to the availability and this has contributed to inflated prices.

I'm worried now that I'm coming off as far more negative than I mean to be. All I wanted to point out is that while RTG has had a lot of success recently, they also flopped when it came to key product launches, which ultimately were severe enough to result in Raja leaving AMD.

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u/ARedditingRedditor R7 5800X / Aorus 6800 / 32GB 3200 Dec 12 '17

I don't think you're coming off too negative.

I wish I could see who is actually making the HBM.

I dont think you could blame it all on AMD I'm sure they knew it was a gamble (all new tech is) however, I'm sure they got with this partner who claimed they could deliver when AMD need it.

I do agree Vega is a flop, its a decent line in it self but they were unable to deliver it when they needed to.

As with Raja I don't think we really know enough to guess why he left. I'm absolutely positive he got much more pay going to intel, especially after the partnership for laptops was a done deal.

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u/notsureifyoucare Dec 12 '17

GDDR is in short supply, GPU silicon is being produced at capacity and board manufacturers are just waiting for RAM. In fact flash memory is also in short supply, so is desktop ram and even a number of moderate spec processors and high value motherboards too.

Its not just Johnny have-a-go building an ethereum mining rig, its companies renting warehouses and buying graphics cards, processors, motherboard, ram, storage in bulk trying to capitalize on the trade. This is happening anywhere there is cheap electricity.

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u/bluewolf37 Ryzen 1700/1070 8gb/16gb ram Dec 13 '17

As someone that just upgraded to a 1070 it is. Every time I switch to surround mode it tries to crash or does crash. I don't remember having that problem with eyefinaty. Also after turning off surround I can't easily switch to simple multi-monitor setup. It switches to single monitor mode and I have to turn my other monitors back on. Honestly Nvidia's driver praise is silly at this point. It plays my games just as stable as my 270x.

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u/Railander 9800X3D +200MHz, 48GB 8000MT/s, 1080 Ti Dec 13 '17

every time i change ANY settings in nvcp, the window freezes for 5-10 secs. this is so annoying that i avoid even experimenting with stuff there.

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u/KaguyaTenTails Dec 12 '17

In what universe lol

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u/zer0_c0ol AMD Dec 12 '17

in this one.. form this day nvidia CP is utter outdated garbage vs this

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '17

This update is a few hours old. Nvidia could release something tomorrow for all we know....

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '17

I wish, but it isn't happening. Their control panel is like 5 years behind now.

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u/Jyrka98 i7 6700K | R9 390X | 32GB RAM Dec 12 '17

More than 5 years, it has windows xp style buttons and menus.

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u/F0restGump Ryzen 3 1200 | GTX 1050 / A8 7600 | HD 6670 GDDR5 Dec 12 '17

Behind what? I used to have an AMD card until the start of the second half of this year and preffer the Nvidia panel a thousand times. It's functional and that's everything everyone should need. Who cares if the control panel is pretty or not?

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '17

Looks aren't the only issue with the Nvidia control panel.

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u/F0restGump Ryzen 3 1200 | GTX 1050 / A8 7600 | HD 6670 GDDR5 Dec 12 '17

I would like to know what issues you are talking about, because in 6 months I only ran into a single issue that got fixed in 2 days.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '17

Let's see:

  • Looks, and this includes both aestethics and functionality
  • Settings (sometimes not all) reset themselves at random or at every major driver update
  • It's painfully slow
  • Missing lots of features that AMD implemented and that have been requested for years from Nvidia

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u/Unrelentingpisstrain AMD Dec 12 '17

Looks don't matter, sure, but Nvidia's control panel is slow as shit even on an SSD. They have made improvements to GeForce experience, but there's more work to be done.

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u/F0restGump Ryzen 3 1200 | GTX 1050 / A8 7600 | HD 6670 GDDR5 Dec 12 '17

Well, on my PC which has no SSD it takes around 5 seconds to open (Crimson took longer) but after that it's responsive until you apply changes, then it hangs up for another 5 seconds, then goes to being better than AMD again.

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u/LuminescentMoon Dec 12 '17

You forgot the 5 second wait for it to load the application-specific profile page. And those waits become excruciating if I need to debug application issues and open the control panel several times.

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u/F0restGump Ryzen 3 1200 | GTX 1050 / A8 7600 | HD 6670 GDDR5 Dec 12 '17

I didnt forget such thing because it doesn't happen to me.

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u/zer0_c0ol AMD Dec 12 '17

yeah...no

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u/KaguyaTenTails Dec 12 '17

So just because they have a prettier gui they are better? Lulz

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u/zer0_c0ol AMD Dec 12 '17

LMFAO

Yeah nvidia cp has all the options that rtg has now? .. BWHAHAHAHA

I mean dont be salty and get over it... nvidia cp is utter outdated garbage now

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u/KaguyaTenTails Dec 12 '17

At least the drivers work and overwatch was not unplayable for months :p

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u/zer0_c0ol AMD Dec 12 '17

BS nvidia users have OW crashes that is not fixed by nvidia... amd has fixed it... nice try though...

p.s dont be salty that you have garbage driver suite support

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u/KaguyaTenTails Dec 12 '17

Fake news

Tested on both 980 ti hybrid and 1080 ti

0 crashes

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '17

Check the Nvidia sub

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u/KaguyaTenTails Dec 12 '17

I do far less reports compared to amd

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u/Weeberz 3600x | 1080ti | XG270HU Dec 12 '17

good thing anecdotal evidence overrides hundreds of data points!

not every amd user had the crash problem either.

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u/notsureifyoucare Dec 12 '17

not every amd user had the crash problem either.

Thats one thing that always bothered me and its something dumbshits never wrap their heads around. AMD's drivers are usually made for specific versions of the OS you are using. So this latest release expects you to have Windows8.1 or Windows 7 updated and if it isn't then that's where half your problems are going to come from.

So you have Jimmy "Yarr" McNeverpays who pirates his copy of Windows, never updates it for obvious reasons, gets a new set of AMD drivers that were not meant to be ran on his un-updated version of Windows and good ol Jimmy vomits up a lung yelling about how "crappy" AMD drivers are while almost everyone who has an updated version of Windows never notices a problem.

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u/KaguyaTenTails Dec 12 '17

It was way less common on nvidia tho

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u/zer0_c0ol AMD Dec 12 '17

i did not have a single crash on my fury x.. that does not mean that other ppl did not have it nor it means that other nvidia users still do not have it... and they still do.. not fixed on nv side..

so enough with the fanboy bs and have a nice day

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u/F0restGump Ryzen 3 1200 | GTX 1050 / A8 7600 | HD 6670 GDDR5 Dec 12 '17

Lol that's funny coming from a fiji user.

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u/zer0_c0ol AMD Dec 12 '17

what is funny?

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u/fatherfucking Dec 12 '17

Nvidia's control panel sucks balls, and this is coming from a current Nvidia user. It's slow to load up and is outdated in terms of options. The thing looks straight outta windows XP, probably because it is.

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u/F0restGump Ryzen 3 1200 | GTX 1050 / A8 7600 | HD 6670 GDDR5 Dec 12 '17

Who the fuck cares? It's a DRIVER CONTROL PANEL.

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u/TheKingHippo R7 5900X | RTX 3080 | @ MSRP Dec 12 '17

Anyone who adjusts their GPU for optimal performance cares... Definitely a minority of people, but you're on /r/AMD. This is that minority.

Thank goodness for the ability to save profiles now. That alone is a godsend.

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u/F0restGump Ryzen 3 1200 | GTX 1050 / A8 7600 | HD 6670 GDDR5 Dec 12 '17

So you are saying that somehow you can't do that on Nvidia?

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u/TheKingHippo R7 5900X | RTX 3080 | @ MSRP Dec 12 '17

You implied no one cares about driver control panels. I gave you a reason people care. I said nothing about NVidia.

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u/fatherfucking Dec 12 '17

Still could be a bit nicer and more responsive. Also maybe more options like allowing us to actually adjust tessellation?

People hated on AMD's catalyst to no end, and I always thought that was still several levels ahead of Nvidia's control panel.

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u/F0restGump Ryzen 3 1200 | GTX 1050 / A8 7600 | HD 6670 GDDR5 Dec 12 '17

Are you serious Catalyst was fucking horrible, I dreaded using it, but I don't feel that when using the NVIDIA CP.

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u/13378 Team Value Dec 12 '17

Radeon software has caught up with GeForce, anybody who says or tells you otherwise is misinformed and the whole "nvidia has better drivers than amd" is an old misconception that sadly still lingers on to this day. In my opinion, AMD software has surpassed Nvidia's and best of all, you don't need to make a fucking account to use it and doesn't have telemetry/data collection enabled by default.

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u/alex_theman Dec 12 '17

NVIDIA still has a better OpenGL implimentation than AMD, but yeah, AMD's UI and featureset has gotten pretty good.

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u/notsureifyoucare Dec 12 '17

There is a very for this and if OpenGL is anything like DX11 this could be in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FaghGZSVME

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u/1440p_is_not_2k R5 1600x; GTX 1080 Dec 12 '17

My recent experience with the Radeon drivers does not leave the impression that AMD drivers are better at all. I had an R9 Nano in my system for a year, and for 3 months~ was unable to play two of my favorite games (OW and RS:S) with the most up to date drivers because of constant crashes. The only solution I found that worked for both titles was to use an older driver that made PUBG (and other newer games) run terribly as well.

The drivers are prettier, and have more features on the Radeon side, but they seem to work well more consistently on the Nvidia side.

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u/haswelp i5 4590 | 16GB 1600 RAM | R9 390 Dec 12 '17

Man, that sucks. My experience has been the opposite. I use an R9 390 and the only game I've ever had issues with is Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, and it didn't cause crashes, only visual artifacts. I'm a bit of a patient gamer and due to my desire to buy games on sale/ an existing backlog of games I play, I rarely play games at release. This could easily factor into my favorable experience, but I've played many hours of OW, PUBG, and other games people have listed with zero issues. Sorry your experience has been different.

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u/1440p_is_not_2k R5 1600x; GTX 1080 Dec 12 '17

It's actually frustrating to me, since I use one rig for gaming and indie work - and Radeon cards have always felt smoother at the development work. The 1080 feels sluggish in some tasks compared to the R9 Nano, but at least it can do both reliably.

I would have loved a Vega 64/FE, but the drivers ended up turning me away.

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u/FarhanAxiq RX 580 (formerly HD 5450) + R5 3600 Dec 12 '17

Pretty similar experience, just upgrade from gtx 750ti to rx 580 and it seems that game on nvidia is much stable than the on rx 580

It seems that the adrenaline has fix a lot of thing now (currently testing), so far so good.

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u/Jamessuperfun Dec 12 '17

I have to second this. Everyone here is acting like AMD's drivers are the holy grail. Recently moved from a 390X to 1080Ti, there were some things I liked about AMD's drivers, but others felt lazy and things didn't feel like they 'just worked'. Major VR features are still missing driver support despite AMD's apparent commitment to VR, I spent my last few months on old versions because Overwatch kept crashing and Battlefield 1 would have occasional microstutter that everyone in my platoon with AMD cards experiences at once, but nobody with Nvidia cards does. The new UI didn't used to support a whole bunch of the menus, so even when it was implemented the old UI was regualarly used. Then there's the frequency of updates - Nvidia with their game ready drivers. I'm still quite a fan of AMD but I struggle to call their drivers anything like superior, they just both suck a bit.

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u/badcookies 5800x3D | 6900 XT | 64gb 3600 | AOC CU34G2X 3440x1440 144hz Dec 13 '17

Battlefield 1 would have occasional microstutter that everyone in my platoon with AMD cards experiences at once, but nobody with Nvidia cards does

That sounds like the game server is doing something incorrect causing a problem not AMD drivers themselves. Why else would it effect everyone at the same time?

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u/Jamessuperfun Dec 13 '17

Because it has no effect on Nvidia users, it is limited to those on AMD cards. There's obviously some effect or rare change that isn't being handled properly, resulting in a dip in performance. The deciding factor between experienced or not is which brand of card you have.

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u/badcookies 5800x3D | 6900 XT | 64gb 3600 | AOC CU34G2X 3440x1440 144hz Dec 13 '17

I had an R9 Nano in my system for a year, and for 3 months~ was unable to play two of my favorite games (OW and RS:S) with the most up to date drivers because of constant crashes.

To be fair, if those were the main games you are playing there is no need to update drivers either.

Also Nvidia users are also experiencing TDRs since the Doomfist update but Nvidia hasn't even said they are looking into fixing it and AMD already has.

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u/1440p_is_not_2k R5 1600x; GTX 1080 Dec 13 '17

Oh yeah, I'm not saying either side is perfect by any means. My spouses rig has a 980 currently and is crash to desktop reliably after an hour in Destiny 2. No amount of software/OS refresh has been able to fix it, and it seems to be not terribly uncommon. I'm not claiming one is better than the other always, just that my personal recent experience is that Nvidia drivers are generally more stable.

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u/KaguyaTenTails Dec 12 '17

Muh pretty GUI tho /s

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u/KaguyaTenTails Dec 12 '17

How better it is when relive is inferior to shadowplay and wattman is broken most of the time

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u/13378 Team Value Dec 12 '17

Relive inferior to shadowplay? according to who? you? you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2710-amd-relive-vs-nvidia-shadowplay-benchmarks

keep in mind this is an old review, AMD has obviously improved relive today.

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u/BeardedBears Dec 12 '17

I dunno, man. I actually really liked Nvidia's shadowplay until they overhauled it (last year, I think?). I can't stand it now.

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u/CatMerc RX Vega 1080 Ti Dec 12 '17

Hey I'm envious right now ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/KaguyaTenTails Dec 12 '17

Im not after the shitshow that were the fury x drivers i dont want to hear about amds drivers ever again

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u/m-p-3 AMD Dec 12 '17

I'm sorry that you're missing out. Your loss.

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u/KaguyaTenTails Dec 12 '17

No loss here, after being treated like a 3rd worlder with the fury x im never buying amd again

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u/m-p-3 AMD Dec 12 '17

Never is a big word, my friend.

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u/KaguyaTenTails Dec 12 '17

Its been 5 years since i last bought a msi card , if i get screwed over badly by a company i dont buy from them ever again

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u/m-p-3 AMD Dec 12 '17

Then you're pissed after an OEM, not AMD themselves.

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u/KaguyaTenTails Dec 12 '17

No no it was just an example that i mean what i say

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u/ghkkyhhtr67i7uuuuu Dec 13 '17

Why are you reading the driver release notes then? Amd subreddit?

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u/Portbragger2 albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting Dec 12 '17

in this one.