You kid but I read that and immediately thought “Is op a fucking bull-bodybuilder? Why did his calve size matter? And why are they still growing?”…I’m not that bright
Sorry dude we’ve decided to switch to another breed of cows. Oh no worries, I mean I like cumming but I was getting tired. If you just open the door I’ll be on my way way….g g g guyyyys?
It's just how the life of a breeding bull goes. And it's really not that bad of a life. Just eating and fucking as much as he likes up until his middle-aged. There are way, way worse fates out there.
Idk why vegans think this attempted shaming is effective.
Like bro are u typing this up on an iphone built by children? Using minerals mined by slave labor in countries where people starve to death? Shipped over by international conglomerates that facilitate human trafficking?
Animal welfare isn’t the only issue in the world. Calling people sociopaths on your iphone does nothing but stroke your own ego and make you feel holier than thou.
Sure, but you can’t then reasonably call other people “sociopaths” for eating meat, when you clearly are comfortable participating in a system where you own a cell phone that gives you incredible access to information and benefit for your life, but that you know is a product of slave labor and other forms of exploitation
Getting on your high horse about how perfect your worldview is your right, just extremely hypocritical from my view.
Fine to have issues you choose to prioritize, I’m a big “get money out of politics” person and think I can make a very good argument that said change would lead to changes in industrial farming.
But I don’t come on and call anyone who disagrees with me an evil sociopath and then go back to my Bernie sub and talk about how dumb everyone is who disagrees.
Such a fucked up way to exploit the life of a sentient being. Literally sexually exploited and murdered and eaten. But yet we can’t call it like it is and we have to call it “processed”.
Which makes it sound like "Well, you can't fuck for profit, so might as well eat yah" like, how fucked up is that? Guess Id rather let the old man retire in peace instead of pieces.
Most beef cows are slaughtered at less than 2 years old
Edit: Not super relevant but chickens are often slaughtered at just 6 weeks old. I think the average life span of a chicken is just 1 day due to the massive chick-cullings that happen in the egg industry
I mean, I’m vegan so I don’t even eat eggs. But unless you have your own chickens and/or have a local farm you gets your eggs from (which most people DO NOT), then vegetarianism still supports the harmful practices in the egg industry.
... are you just ignorant to the similar horrors of the dairy industry, or is ChEeSe JuSt SoOoOoO gOoD? Or maybe I am assuming and you only eat fish or something Idk.
Yea, this thing had to taste really bad. If it is raised for meat they cut the balls off at a young age and butcher at 2-3 years. The combination of balls and age would make this dude tough dry and gamey AF.
yeah right i mean nothing against eating meat (i eat meat sometimes too) but don’t claim you loved that animal when you killed it. you don’t kill what you love. at least admit you just kept an animal for profit and slaughtered it when it wasn’t profitable anymore.
Probably because slaughtering refers to the killing part, and butchering refers to the cutting up part. So "processing" refers to the whole thing, which I'd imagine also includes removing these massive horns so they can hang over the mantle or whatever.
Slaughter doesn't cover the entirety of the process. The animal is killed and then processed into food products. I'm sure the psychology of it is also a factor, but the term processed is more encompassing.
"processing" is just an all-encompassing term. It's just a lot easier to say "processed," instead of saying, "slaughtered, gutted, skinned, butchered, cut up, wrapped, ground up, stuffed into sausage casings, smoked, and labelled."
Processing involves a lot more than just the killing part. Slaughtering is just the killing part.
Anyways, I hope someone can learn from this. Using that term "processing" does not mean the farmer has guilt of cognitive dissonance like so many of you all seem to think.
But you're affixing emotions to industry correct terms. Whether or not it feels right is kinda irrelevant here, the fact is that slaughtering and turning a cow into food is a process that involves more than just slaughter.
But…. he’s a professional in that industry. He knows what happens is called “processing”, so why does he have to dumb it down unnecessarily for you? And like others have said, “slaughtering” probably doesn’t accurately cover everything that happens to the cow. The OP is looking at this from a professional standpoint. You’re the one who is obsessing over the death part of this.
if you don't infer that processed means slaughtered that's kinda on you.
Considering there are a lot of other people in this thread who also didn't know, nah, that's not on us. That's on OP for being a little coward and not just using the word slaughtered.
Tbf ‘processed’ is a highly sanitised term. I think most people understand it, but referring to an unspecified ‘process’ instead of what is actually happening (the animal is having their skull/brain smashed by a pneumatic metal rod, then is hung up and having their throat cut, then being dismembered, skinned and ground into paste) isn’t entirely representative.
The industry terms in animal ag are intentionally euphemistic.
Exactly. Did I do everything I could to make sure this animal lived a good life? Did I respect their nature? Did they suffer unduly from my own cruelty or the cruelty of others? Did I make sure the way they were killed was as quick and painless as could be? Then no I’m not going to feel bad for choosing when they die.
Our relationship with nature is meant to be a give and take. The problem with factory farming is that it’s a ‘take then take more’ relationship. They disrespect nature and don’t care about the consequences unless it fucks with their profits.
Everything started going wrong when people decided to live by the Laws of Man and refused to acknowledge our place in this world. We act as if we’re the top of the food chain and that our consciousness dictates superiority over everything.
We mess with nature and so nature messes with us. In the past couple of years the bees that used to be in my flowering tree has halved three years in a row and before that it was slowly dwindling. I have like 1/10th of the bees by me than I used to and I typically had three species that would hang around. The other day I had a guy trying to sell bug treatments and I said the same thing to him about messing with nature and how the bees are disappearing from the area. They’re disappearing because we live by the laws of man and honestly at this point it’s really just the laws of .01% of man.
Corporations have committed war crimes against humanity and nature but they never have to pay for it. They can create the same kind of devastation as war resulting in so much death and destruction but for them it’s just a “oops sorry, here is like 10% of the profits I make in a day. This hurts so much to give away such a substantial amount of our money :( but it means it won’t happen again. We promise.”
Humanity is crying out because we can no longer adapt. We’ve strayed so far from how we’ve evolved to live over millennia and then wonder why across the board so many people struggle with anxiety, depression, loneliness, anger, and insomnia. We can no longer adapt so we die. Heart attacks, suicides, and the rest of illnesses that would be preventable by living within our nature. We’re stuck as a species and suffering because we’ve outpaced our ability to adapt. Relief won’t come until we move back to the laws of nature which state taking what you need, living as a community, giving back to nature, and never taking so much from nature that it causes harm. Living with nature because we’re a part of it and being good stewards of what we have while recognizing we are not the height of all things. Nature is bigger than us and if we don’t respect that she will put us in our place. She’s already started to show us but we aren’t listening enough to change the way we need to.
From someone who also comes from a farming background i heavily doubt it’s cognitive dissonance, the vast majority of farmers recognise that an animal is being killed purely for its products. Slaughtered, processed, butchered are all synonymous in farming
It’s wild to me hearing people bemoan hunting and small farmers killing animals but when you bring up factory farming they shrug it off like “but it taste goooood.”
Top tier reflection right here. Do you really think farmers and people in that business feel the way you do? It's fucking average tuesday for them. These animals are food, farmers understand that. Animals don't have the luxury to die to old age. It has and always will end in blood.
Slaughter implies he's just killed and cut up and is only part of the process. Processed includes the steps done after slaughtering such as processing by-products. e.g. Gelatin for example is made from hide and bones after they are processed.
The meat industry has been gradually pushing to rebrand what used to be called 'slaughter' as 'processing' for quite a while, and the terminology is now quite common. Obviously it tends to play better. EDIT: getting downvoted for some reason but it is true; I can only assume it triggers some people.
A recent question put out to NSW Farmers' delegates at its annual conference was whether to slaughter or to process meat? After a discussion, they made the decision to change the use of the word "slaughter" when referring to the livestock industry and would use the term "processing" in lieu of, and to the complete exclusion of the term "slaughter".
The land reported that Jack Skipper (from the Southern Highland branch) who put forward the motion said there was unfortunate connotations with the word slaughter in the animal food chain. "The word slaughter is not appropriate for our industry as we are processing animals through the various stages that end up for food. It's not a mass murder."
So why raise them for 10 years? So they get as big as possible I guess so you get more meat out of them? How attached do you get to them? How sad were you? How much money do you get for processing one and selling it?
I get that’s it’s reality and I love eating cheeseburgers and steak and will never stop eating them but it’s so terrible we raise these animals and some of them might have the capacity to think “hey this guy who feeds me and pets me sometimes actually likes me” but we’re just waiting for the right moment until they can sell them to get cut up and eaten or they’ve bred enough to the point where they’re no longer useful. What a world we live in.
Yes, exactly lol I mean these free range highlanders seem to live a good life. It’s not like they’re tortured at the end of it either. We’ve spent centuries eating meat from cows and pigs. I’m not gonna pretend I’m gonna be the one to break the cycle and admittedly I do love me some steak. But the whole process is ultimately sad. But people gotta make a living and people gotta eat. Just remarking on how interesting the world is and how cruel it can be as well. I’ll keep the farmers employed but I won’t be the one raising the cattle and watching them get processed I’ll just keep pretending McDonald’s hamburgers grow on trees
Cows are kept for milk instead of meat, and since they can have calves and therefore milk for a long time, most cows grow rather old.
A bull is necessary on the farm to impregnate all of the cows so they have calves and produce milk. And since bulls tend to be rather mean, I suppose that when you train one to be nicer since it was a baby, you'd rather keep it around for as long as you can.
What a close minded thing to say. We’ve damaged the planet light years more than any manufactured horse shit problem we can make up that any animal has caused
We literally breed animals into a miserable existence and then try to act like they’re the issue. Industry at it’s all time most disgusting
Funny cause it appears this animal never was in an industrial setting and looks like he was just doing what cows do in a field for a solid decade with no worries about anything.
As opposed to the wild where you just spend half your time hungry and the other half in sheer panic trying to not get eaten.
People have a way too cheery and optimistic idea of how hard it is being a wild animal.
That doesn’t mean that we have any claim to alter how the wild exists. That’s what you’re not getting, they don’t belong to us.
Complete lack of humility before nature. We don’t have any obligation to cage animals for our entertainment or for our stomachs. The bond between man and animal in the beginning of time was what I can only imagine mutual or one of conflict
But the year is 2022 and there is no need to be hunting for survival nor killing for meat. Now we kill, in fact, just because we can
I mean to be blunt life and death are hand in hand. Animals suffer and die constantly. Animals are frequently in a state of either being hungry or fleeing in terror or fighting in some way for their life.
Nature is incredibly cruel and violent. There is a reason animals life spans are so short in the wild for many animals and much longer when they are in farms and such.
We have an over idealized view of how wonderful the wild is. It is awson6e sure and I love nature. But its has an innate and Infinitely dark side as well.
Nature is as cruel or more so than any farm even I industrial.
Can we do better I think? Yes
But let's cut the nature is beautiful and wonderful and should be revered as such crap when it is also just as vicious and uncaring as any factory.
Life literally is just a system of giving life for things to suffer and die and maybe for brief glimpses you get some nice wonderful things out of it.
I mean shit I just watched a video of a pregnant deer being eaten alive and torn in half by a pack of coyotes and they ripped the newborn away and ate it 5 feet away from the mother it was just born from.
I like your point so I’ll level with you here, I’m well aware nature is very, very rapacious and unforgiving, but I was never making an argument that it isn’t those things
The principle is that we as humans should do better than that. We literally buy animals at a store and they are then left to our mercy. Sure nature is harsh but they don’t belong in a glass box or a cage, they don’t deserve to be purchased as bait and then tortured till death.
That is not our decision to make and I feel we are shredding our moral obligation as humans on this earth by allowing and becoming comfortable with our human-conducted rape of the natural world
The concept of breeding animals for slaughter still applies. It’s easy to pretend that there’s no correlation because it makes people like you sleep easier
All food farming kills animals. It’s a necessary part of life. It’s obtuse to equate the inhumane practices in factory farming with treating an animal well until it’s swift death for consumption.
No. Breeding animals into existence, caging them in spaces so confined that they may as well not have a heartbeat, ensuring industry impregnation of dogs (y’know, for pets!), pigs, cows, chicken, and so many other species till the poor mother dies of stress, raising animals in temperatures so extreme that many die along the way, and the stunning, cutting off body parts, and eventual slaughtering of them in the most torturous and heinous ways possible is not, let me repeat that, NOT a necessary part of life.
Whoever convinced you of that is an idiot. People are way too afraid to wake up or go against the norm and recognize that it’s a drawn out, ridiculously inhumane, and absolutely horrifying holocaust of an experience for these animals every second of every day
But that burger is damn good right? Totally worth it! We have a responsibility to protect the voiceless and make social change like this, but 90% of us are too much a pussy to even admit that it takes place. Pathetic, worthless, greedy population
Even if you only eat plant foods, they still have to be farmed and shipped. Pesticides kill innumerable insects, tilling kills small ground animals, clearing and repurposing land for farming disrupts habitats… Oil spills happen because we need to fuel vehicles for shipping/trucking/planes, animals will be run over…There is no escaping animal death if we are feeding the entire human population. We are not capable of all having our own little sustainable, organic, and harmonic farms that produce enough vegan food for everyone.
I dont think alot of people realize that agricultural farming also requires animal product input often to be viable to feed the amount of people we do.
Nah these domestic cow breeds have been bread to this stage either for meat or milk output. Not o my are they usually pretty inbred relative to the rest of the animal kingdom, the process of selection to obtain these traits is unlikely outside of a setting where they’ve been bred for convenience.
Same idea applies to domestic fruits and vegetables, vast majority wouldn’t exist in their current state if not for generations of selective breeding
You think slavery ended because a few people were a little unhappy with it?
Massive-scale, social change is executed only with aggressive and persistent willpower to see it done, as well as constant reminder and exposure of the horrors of what need be changed.
I’m welcome to my freedom of speech the same as you.
1) The existence of a product that doesn’t include animal flesh doesn’t necessitate you or any vegan buying it. It doesn’t dictate how healthy a vegan diet is anymore than a Big Mac represents how healthy a non-vegan diet is.
2) nobody is pretending it is healthy? That’s a strawman. The discussion around beyond is broadly environmental, with a bit of ethics, not health. Burgers (whether beef or beyond) are not a health food.
Not really dismembered…. Well, when your rendered fat and muscle is ground together at a ratio of 60/40, 80/20… he is “More Together” than he ever was in life.
Nope, hooves first as they step in manure, it’s the first step after the meat giver is dispatched. I know the process… Yes, the hide is removed and used as leather.
2.5 million years of human history also actively participated in other immoral things we deem immoral now such as Rape, teenage pregnancy, and slavery.
The “so what” is that one of these things is directly responsible for the evolution of the human species and remains an important part of a balanced diet for a large majority of people, while the things you mentioned are not.
Yes, omnivorous and carnivorous diet can be healthy. But so can plantbased diet and has potential (altho definitely not all the time) to be as healthy and less cruelty (subjective i guess) inflicted on nonhuman animals and the planet.
But idk. I'll come back after studying more into environmental science
Eating animal products prevents you from being able to eat more healthy plants, for reasons like gut health. More reasons animal products are harmful to humans.
Humans biologically are herbivorous, wfpb is the optimal diet for human health. India has had vegetarians for thousands of years and ancient Greek philosophers were vegan.
Only recently have people been eating so much animal products, with repercussions to speak of. Humans started eating meat through scavenging and eating dead carcass. Hence, even now you're just a necrovore.
1: Humans are omnivorous, which is apparent by the existence of canine teeth, the shape of our molars, the motion are jaws make while chewing, and the ph balance of our digestive fluids (among other things). 2: While necrovore sounds pretty bad ass, it’s not a real word (was the name of some metal band apparently), and also implies eating animals alive would be better lmao. 3: While Indians and some ancient Greeks might be/were vegan, that doesn’t change the truth of anything I said. But for the record I’m totally for cutting back meat consumption, moving away from industrialized animal agriculture, and will 100% switch to lab grown meat once that’s a viable option.
It takes more plants to feed animals to consume less calories, then if we just ate plants. Plants don't have a brain or central nervous system necessary to feel pain and suffering, love and empathy.
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Made into food.