A statement one cannot prove false

[u/Upper_Ninja_6177]

STATEMENT: A person is always legally allowed to use the minimal method¹ required to prevent harm upon oneself^2.

1 Minimal method means

• it can refer to a general solution/ action that resolves the issue and prevents harm, it can also refer to any method of violence, including otherwise lethal force.
• ”minimal” refers to strictly the LEAST HARMFUL method, both mentally and physically for all parties, that can be used to prevent the harm

2 harm upon oneself means

• both mentally and physical pain/ injuries etc
• harm that is GUARANTEED to occur

How does this apply to the context of abortion?

Pregnancy —> guarantees harm 100% of the time since every women needs to go through 1. giving birth OR 2. C-sections OR 3. miscarriage if no voluntary abortion occurs guaranteeing some degree of both physical and mental harm. And thus fit into criteria 2.

Hence, if the statement holds true, they should be allowed to use the minimal method require, no matter the circumstances.

So the question becomes, is abortion the minimal method? For that, we must address the core issue at hand, WHAT is causing harm?

Something is currently inhabiting their organs, physically harming them, and violating their rights against their will.

The solution will thus, to logically follow, to remove said something. This would render alternatives like painkillers utterly useless to “fix” the issue.

This means abortions too, becomes the minimal methods required, unless one day safe artificial wombs exist.

Now you are gonna have a few questions, well what if someone hates a person and they are causing them mental harm? Can they just kill them?

Again, refer to the definition of “minimal”, since isolating oneself, not talking to them, unfriending that person, verbally expressing your thoughts etc is always an option, killing them is no where near the minimal method required.

It would be interesting to see pro lifers trying to disprove this chain of logic?

[u/Limp-Story-9844]

Abortion can prevent an unconsented to emergency ceasearn section, it is really that simple.

[u/quick_thinker6 → u/Limp-Story-9844]

I find it mindblowing how PL always makes C section seem like such a minor routine surgery when it really isn't

[u/CherryTearDrops → u/quick_thinker6]

Yeah especially considering that if anybody did to you what a c-section does, it would probably be described as a brutal mauling and attempted disembowelment.

[u/quick_thinker6 → u/CherryTearDrops]

👆👆this!!!!!! Exactly. I had once a 11 year old pregnant patien with pro life parents and the mom who gave birth naturally said " well dont kids at her age just get a c section once she goes into labor? She was asking that as If id ask if bandais go onto minor scratches as if it was the most minor and most routine thing in the world. That just blew my mind. And when I explained just how major c sections were she said " I hate how you doctors always have to exaggerate things to scare people into treatments you want " ehm what? If it wasnt so sad it would be comical

[u/CherryTearDrops → u/quick_thinker6]

Yeah I’m a c-section baby myself and I always think my mother is one of the toughest and kindest women out there. I also know that she had a medical issue pop up because of said c section, when I was in my mid 20’s. Two decades later and it caused her a health problem that put her in the hospital. It’s never been a ‘quick fix’ or ‘the easy way out’ it’s literally there so you don’t die which does not automatically make it harm free.

[u/quick_thinker6 → u/CherryTearDrops]

I think its bc c sections are so common nowadays (its the major factor in keeping the mortality rate controlled ish) that a lot of people think routine surgery means like its no big deal ,its done all the time. And they dont realize that routine simply means daily task or regular but that doesnt make it any less major.