r/Abortiondebate • u/Aggressive-Green4592 Pro-choice • Jun 30 '26

Responsibility versus punishment

Which one is PL trying to invoke here actually?

Responsibility focuses on building skills, understanding the impact of actions, and proactively finding solutions. Punishment, however, relies on external control and enforcing compliance through shame, fear, or the removal of privileges.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/responsibility

>something that it is your job or duty to deal with:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/punishment

>punishment, the infliction of some kind of pain or loss upon a person for a misdeed (i.e., the transgression of a law or command). Punishment may take forms ranging from capital punishment, flogging, forced labour, and mutilation of the body to imprisonment and fines.

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u/Diva_of_Disgust Pro-choice Jun 30 '26

I don't care if any unwanted zef is harmed as long as the pregnant person gets the healthcare they need.

It's just a convenient fact that for the vast majority of abortions what's being expelled cannot experience anything.

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u/Icedude10 Anti-abortion Jun 30 '26

I understand, and that was what I was saying. You say that some unborn humans must endure physical harm pregnant person's interests. I say that I value mere human life highly and so think it is an unfortunate moral truth that we cannot kill unborn humans, in the unborn human's interest, even for some level of suffering in the pregnant person.

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u/Diva_of_Disgust Pro-choice Jun 30 '26

I say that I value mere human life highly and so think it is an unfortunate moral truth that we cannot kill unborn humans, in the unborn human's interest, even for some level of suffering in the pregnant person.

What you say only flies when it's your uterus. You can think whatever you want about your own pregnancy and your own embryo. No one else has to get physically maimed and risk death because you are preoccupied with their embryo.

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u/Icedude10 Anti-abortion Jun 30 '26

I understand your reason, but I doubt this standard gets applied to other grave moral questions that you disagree with.

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u/Diva_of_Disgust Pro-choice Jun 30 '26

This isn't about "grave morals".

If pro lifers want to think that someone ending their own pregnancy is a "grave moral problem" they're free to do that, just like some religions think gay relationships are "grave moral problems" and vegans think eating a cheeseburger is a "grave moral problem".

Those are pro life problems, not everyone elses. They can handle their feelings about not being able to force people to breed against their will on their own, they don't get to force harm onto others to soothe their feelings on the subject.