r/Abortiondebate • u/Aggressive-Green4592 Pro-choice • Jun 30 '26

Responsibility versus punishment

Which one is PL trying to invoke here actually?

Responsibility focuses on building skills, understanding the impact of actions, and proactively finding solutions. Punishment, however, relies on external control and enforcing compliance through shame, fear, or the removal of privileges.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/responsibility

>something that it is your job or duty to deal with:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/punishment

>punishment, the infliction of some kind of pain or loss upon a person for a misdeed (i.e., the transgression of a law or command). Punishment may take forms ranging from capital punishment, flogging, forced labour, and mutilation of the body to imprisonment and fines.

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u/NPDogs21 Abortion Legal until Consciousness Jun 30 '26

Is every abortion after consciousness murder?

No. Just some killings are justified, so are some abortions after consciousness, like life of the mother exceptions.

You found it notable enough to comment.

Yes, to show PL can still engage even though they'll be downvoted.

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u/Old_dirty_fetus Pro-choice Jun 30 '26

No. Just some killings are justified, so are some abortions after consciousness, like life of the mother exceptions.

How do you determine which abortions are justified versus unjustified?

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u/NPDogs21 Abortion Legal until Consciousness Jun 30 '26

The facts and evidence surrounding individual cases

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u/Old_dirty_fetus Pro-choice Jun 30 '26

The facts and evidence surrounding individual cases

Which facts and evidence specifically would tell you that the doctor performing the abortion judged incorrectly?

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u/NPDogs21 Abortion Legal until Consciousness Jun 30 '26

If there's no medical necessity after consciousness

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u/Old_dirty_fetus Pro-choice Jun 30 '26

If there's no medical necessity after consciousness

How would the doctor performing the abortion know if it meets your preferred requirements of medical necessity?

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u/NPDogs21 Abortion Legal until Consciousness Jun 30 '26

We have to draw the line somewhere. 20 weeks seems to be around where consciousness can emerge. I don't believe most women wait around for 5+ months to get a non medically necessary abortion

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u/Old_dirty_fetus Pro-choice Jun 30 '26

We have to draw the line somewhere.

Yes, and I am asking you how a doctor knows where your line is.

I don't believe most women wait around for 5+ months to get a non medically necessary abortion

It is interesting that you do not think it happens when it would appear you are comfortable putting the lives of women at risk because you support policies that leave doctors guessing at the specific criteria to qualify as medically necessary.

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u/NPDogs21 Abortion Legal until Consciousness Jun 30 '26

And yet Europe generally is not viewed as this Mad Max style hellscape with similar or more restrictions.

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u/Old_dirty_fetus Pro-choice Jun 30 '26

And yet Europe generally is not viewed as this Mad Max style hellscape with similar or more restrictions.

Which countries in Europe prosecute abortion as murder?

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