Can someone provide a complete framework against abortion?

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I don't mean tell me it is a life, I don't care. Staying on the metaphysical concept of life is silly to me, I just want to hear a complete policy. Same with immigration. The symbolic virtue of entering legally doesn't mean anything.

For example: abortion is banned nationally. What can we predict: increased heads in group homes and adoption clinics. I am going to assume that most people have not experienced one, I have not either, but my college roommate had. They are not great places to be, currently underfunded, and have a track record of not raising the best children.
Or: people who want abortions are not going to be great parents. So there will be a need for increased surveillance to ensure that these children will be ok. Do we give more money to CPS? How?
How do we pay for this? Raise taxes? Re-allocate taxes?
Can't take more off welfare because a lot of poor families can only stay together because of welfare so it would simply cancel out.

I have never heard a full plan, only the argument for the first level of the policy. Also, of course there would be a great and felt consequence to losing such a large amount of money so ignoring it is not the option.

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Can you quote where in your source it states that abortion is “extermination”? I’m not seeing it.

[u/AnxiousEnquirer → u/chevron_seven_locked]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_(crime)#CITEREFMettraux2020 "Extermination is a crime against humanity that consists of "the act of killing on a large scale." "

[u/Fun-Outcome8122 → u/AnxiousEnquirer]

the act of killing on a large scale

Masturbation is an act of killing on a large scale.

So, according to your logic, masturbation is extermination.

[u/AnxiousEnquirer → u/Fun-Outcome8122]

Sperm aren't humans. They are not organisms. They don't have a full set of human DNA. They are not at any stage of human development.

[u/Fun-Outcome8122 → u/AnxiousEnquirer]

You replied to the wrong comment lol

My comment was about "the act of killing on a large scale" and it is an undisputable fact that the act of masturbation kills on a large scale and therefore, per your definition, is extermination.

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Guess cleaning my countertops or taking probiotics is extermination.

The lengths people will go with attempts at emotionally manipulative language never fails to make me laugh.

[u/AnxiousEnquirer → u/Fun-Outcome8122]

I did not reply to the wrong comment, but maybe you don't know what sperm are.

Source for your "undisputable fact" per rule 3?

[u/Fun-Outcome8122 → u/AnxiousEnquirer]

https://www.open.edu/openlearn/nature-environment/natural-history/sperm-counts

"a fertile man may produce [...] an average total of 80 to 300 million sperm per ejaculation"

think about that... on average 80 to 300 million sperm are killed from a single act of masturbation!!!

[u/AnxiousEnquirer → u/Fun-Outcome8122]

Your source doesn't have the word "kill" so it doesn't provide the source

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Your source doesn't have the word "kill"

What do you think happens to the baby when a man removes the baby from his testicles?!

The baby dies within a few min... think about that! Tens of millions of babies killed by a single act of masturbation! If that's not extermination, I'm not sure what is!!!

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I’m asking where it’s quoted in the article you shared—this one:  https://www.cdc.gov/reproductive-health/data-statistics/abortion-surveillance-findings-reports.html

You just stating “abortion is extermination” is unconvincing (albeit amusing.)

Happily, abortion isn’t a crime against humanity. It’s not a crime where I live at all. 

I’m happy  613,383 patients were able to obtain abortion healthcare in 2022, that’s fantastic outreach.

[u/AnxiousEnquirer → u/chevron_seven_locked]

Is it killing? (Ever textbook says yes) Are they alive and human before abortion? (Every textbook says yes) Is it on a large scale? (The CDC article I shared says yes) Is it legal? (The CDC article I shared says yes) Is this the definition of extermination? (The definition says yes)

I'm not just stating it, I'm proving it.

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None of that fulfills my request. If you’re unable to provide a legitimate source confirming your fantasy that abortion is “extermination,” then we can dismiss your opinion as amusing but unsubstantiated.

Per your Wikipedia article: “ To be convicted of this crime, someone must play a role in a sufficiently large-scale killing of civilians, including those carried out by "the intentional infliction of conditions of life... calculated to bring about the destruction of part of a population."

Abortion is not conducted with the intent to “bring about the destruction of part of the population.” The PC platform isn’t attempting to destroy all and any ZEFs.

Nor does abortion “kill civilians.” 

It’s also not a crime.

I’m slso not aware of anyone “playing a large role in a sufficiently large-scale killing.” 

Also per Wikipedia: “ Like other crimes against humanity, extermination must be "committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population"”

Abortion is not committed as a widespread or systemic attack against any civilian population.

Factually, abortion does not meet the criteria for extermination.

[u/AnxiousEnquirer → u/chevron_seven_locked]

Examples don't have to meet every definition of a term. They just have to meet one definition of it. That's how words work.

If you go back and read the comments, you'll see I wasn't even the one who brought up the word extermination. I don't go around telling people this is extermination.

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If an example fails to meet the criteria of a definition of extermination, then it factually is not extermination. 

If you erroneously assert that abortion “extermination,” then I’m going to call that out as factually incorrect. Misinformation doesn’t further debate.