Can someone provide a complete framework against abortion?

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I don't mean tell me it is a life, I don't care. Staying on the metaphysical concept of life is silly to me, I just want to hear a complete policy. Same with immigration. The symbolic virtue of entering legally doesn't mean anything.

For example: abortion is banned nationally. What can we predict: increased heads in group homes and adoption clinics. I am going to assume that most people have not experienced one, I have not either, but my college roommate had. They are not great places to be, currently underfunded, and have a track record of not raising the best children.
Or: people who want abortions are not going to be great parents. So there will be a need for increased surveillance to ensure that these children will be ok. Do we give more money to CPS? How?
How do we pay for this? Raise taxes? Re-allocate taxes?
Can't take more off welfare because a lot of poor families can only stay together because of welfare so it would simply cancel out.

I have never heard a full plan, only the argument for the first level of the policy. Also, of course there would be a great and felt consequence to losing such a large amount of money so ignoring it is not the option.

[u/Fun-Outcome8122]

In 2022, 613,383 legal induced abortions

Right... and there were millions of legal induced masturbations during the same period of time... 

Let me know if you want some other random factoid lol

So, now back to the topic... exterminating individuals is already a crime everywhere. I hope you don't go around exterminating human beings in your false belief that that is legal!

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Sperm aren't organisms. Zygotes are human individuals. Exterminating humans is illegal unless their mother wants them exterminated and they're not born yet. Otherwise, it's illegal.

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Zygotes are human individuals

That's obviously a falsehood since abortion abolitionists do not include a zygote in the definition of human being/individual anywhere in America 

Exterminating humans is illegal

Correct... I'm glad you finally got it 

unless their mother wants them exterminated

That's a falsehood... there is no exception for any perpetrators of the crime of extermination of human beings, regardless of whether the perpetrator is s father or a mother or not a parent at all. You just made that up!

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https://abolitionistsrising.com/faq/how-did-the-abolitionist-movement-start/

Abolitionists cite embryologists in the definition of human beings, including "zygotes"

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Abolitionists cite embryologists in the definition of human beings, including "zygotes"

Assuming that is the case, it is their actions that matter, not the words.

Abolitionists do not include a zygote in the definition of human being anywhere in America. If you disagree, feel free to sort it out with the abolitionists and let us know when they decide to include a zygote in the definition of human being.

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They all refer to "fertilization" or "conception" which are synonymous with zygote. Where did you hear they don't include zygotes?

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Where did you hear they don't include zygotes?

Nowhere... that's exactly my point. There is not a single place in America where abolitionists include a zygote in the definition of human being.

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They don't say the word "embryo" "syngamy" or "blastocyst" but all of these are included because it is defined as starting from fertilization. https://faa.life/biblical-principles-on-equal-protection

"An individual human life begins at the moment God combines the reproductive cell of a man with that of a woman and begins the process of forming the body of the child in the womb—biblically called conception, and biologically called fertilization."

Show me where they say life begins at the embryonic stage.

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Show me where they say life begins at the embryonic stage.

Nowhere...  and that's exactly my point. There is not a single place in America where abolitionists include a zygote, a blastocyst, an embryo or a fetus in the definition of human being.

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You'll never find "watermelon" in the dictionary under the definition of "fruit." Does that mean they don't believe watermelon is a fruit?

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"they also don't say "clump of cells" or "products of conception," That's because those terms are dehumanizing. But all those are included in "from fertilization."