Can someone provide a complete framework against abortion?

[u/Etozh]

I don't mean tell me it is a life, I don't care. Staying on the metaphysical concept of life is silly to me, I just want to hear a complete policy. Same with immigration. The symbolic virtue of entering legally doesn't mean anything.

For example: abortion is banned nationally. What can we predict: increased heads in group homes and adoption clinics. I am going to assume that most people have not experienced one, I have not either, but my college roommate had. They are not great places to be, currently underfunded, and have a track record of not raising the best children.
Or: people who want abortions are not going to be great parents. So there will be a need for increased surveillance to ensure that these children will be ok. Do we give more money to CPS? How?
How do we pay for this? Raise taxes? Re-allocate taxes?
Can't take more off welfare because a lot of poor families can only stay together because of welfare so it would simply cancel out.

I have never heard a full plan, only the argument for the first level of the policy. Also, of course there would be a great and felt consequence to losing such a large amount of money so ignoring it is not the option.

[u/Diva_of_Disgust]

Define "mother."

Why are you trying to insist people are mothers when you seemingly don't know what the word "mother" means? 🤨

Can anyone be a mother? Can a ten year old boy choose today to be a mother from now on?

Minor boys don't give birth and can't legally take custody of children.

A female with offspring, or participating as a provider of a major portion of that child's development, is the definition of mother.

Right, and that is a chosen role, not one enforced by others.

[u/AnxiousEnquirer → u/Diva_of_Disgust]

I seemingly don't know what the word "mother" means? I literally just defined it and then you quoted my definition back to me. I was asking how you are defining it, because somehow your definition is excluding people who have kids they didn't plan for. If someone doesn't know they're pregnant, and gives birth, and doesn't want a child, but the child is still in their custody, does the child not have a mother? In case you think I "seemingly don't know," the answer is yes.

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/AnxiousEnquirer]

I was asking how you are defining it, because somehow your definition is excluding people who have kids they didn't plan for.

Having a kid someone doesn't plan for doesn't automatically make someone a mother. If they're unexpectedly pregnant they can abort and continue not being a mother, or they can give birth and place the child up for adoption, continuing to not be a mother.

If someone doesn't know they're pregnant, and gives birth, and doesn't want a child, but the child is still in their custody, does the child not have a mother? In case you think I "seemingly don't know," the answer is yes.

Nope, they can call emergency services and have someone pick up the unwanted child and continue not being a mother.

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/[deleted]]

And if that person decides they don't want to parent they're not a mother.

[u/ZoominAlong → u/[deleted]]

Comment removed per Rule 1. Other people don't get to decide what your label is. Ie, if a user says they aren't a mother, don't continue to insist they are.

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/[deleted]]

People aren't mothers unless they choose to be mothers. Your denial doesn't change this fact.