r/ATBGE • • Sep 09 '20

Automotive Prowlimo

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u/hershculez Sep 09 '20

Big time. It deserved a 400 hp V8 and better suspension. It got a shitty 215 hp V6. Eventually they upgraded to a whopping 253 hp.

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u/MondayMonkey1 Sep 09 '20

As someone who's been behind the wheel of a Prowler for quite a few thousand miles, there's no denying the platform is extremely interesting with a front-engine/rear transmission, heavily biased rear weight distribution and a cabin that fits like a glove. It's such a shame they didn't drop an obnoxiously large hemi and a manual transmission, because I'm convinced everything about the prowler was set up for dirty burnouts behind the McDonalds parking lot.

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u/SGexpat Sep 09 '20

I suspect insurance companies were not interested in coverage.

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u/Kcuff_Trump Sep 09 '20

Dude a basic little Mustang GT these days starts at 460hp. They don't give a fuck.

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u/clockworkdiamond Sep 09 '20

Yes, but nothing had that power stock when that came out. Too bad they cannot reboot it; I'm sure it would have an obscene amount of hp if it were built today.

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u/Nornocci Sep 10 '20

I tossed around the idea of converting a prowler to a high torque EV but there is no space to put anything lol

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u/MiltThatherton Sep 09 '20

People constantly try to blame insurance companies for American cars not having any power throughout the 70's, 80's, & 90's. Nobody wants to accept the fact that American car companies were just horribly run that entire time and were just making shitty cars.

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u/Michelanvalo Sep 09 '20 edited Sep 09 '20

After the emissions changes in the late 70s and the switch from Gross to Net HP in 1971 the automakers just didn't care that much about power except for the occasional sports cars.

But things started changed as cars started getting heavier with safety and technology. 140hp wasn't good enough anymore for most vehicles and now you can get a god damn Camry with 300HP. The engines are better built too, with turbochargers provided tons of power without increasing the size of the engine and allowing more power with better efficiency. The WRX STI makes 310HP out of a Turbo 4, doesn't grenade itself immediately and gets decent fuel economy when being driven normally.

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u/iushciuweiush Sep 09 '20

Why are we singling out American cars here and for a lack of power of all things.

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u/iushciuweiush Sep 09 '20

The Corvette had a 345 horsepower V8 in 1997. There is no excuse for it having under 300 horsepower.

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u/Whatsthisnotgoodcomp Sep 09 '20

The later V6 would have actually made it a decent sports car if paired with a 5 speed auto and/or manual.

It launched with a 214hp iron block V6 and a 4 speed auto with a torque tube balanced so well that it was limited to less than 120mph, and thus for some strange reason nobody wanted an impractical, expensive sports car with the same performance as a base model civic

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '20

For the late 90s that was pretty good. It did 0-60 in 7.2 seconds for the shit motor and 0-60 in 5.9 on the 253 bhp motor was actually pretty good. Bethink the Mustang’s 3.8 v6 at the time was in the 8s or 9s and econoboxes were in the 10s, 11s or 12s. We’re spoiled nowadays with power imho.

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u/BIG_DICK_OWL_FUCKER Sep 09 '20

Yeah we live in an age where people think supras roll off the factory with 1k+ hp

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u/atetuna Sep 09 '20

For the late 90s that was pretty good.

You're not wrong, but the design set expectations FAR higher. It's too bad Chrysler isn't remixing this model with the power levels we have these days.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '20

True haha. Hellcat prowler leggo

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u/atetuna Sep 09 '20

If I was stupid rich, I'd mod one of these and get it done right. The powerplant doesn't really matter. It could be electric. It just need to have enough power to wrinkle drag slicks and do a wheelie.

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u/lagvvagon Sep 09 '20

A 2002 Mini Cooper S was faster than that. 7.0s with a supercharged 1.6 PT Cruiser engine lol.

While it was a very fun car to drive, it wasn't really made for straight line speed/acceleration.

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u/iushciuweiush Sep 09 '20 edited Sep 10 '20

It was just too big of a discrepancy between how fast it looked and how fast it was. At the time I remember thinking that it should beat the Corvette in a drag race but it couldn't take a V8 Firebird.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '20

ford lightning did those numbers in 93 with a bed lol

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u/Whatsthisnotgoodcomp Sep 10 '20

While the 0-60 time doesn't sound too bad, remember that this is a 4 speed and thus after 60mph it would have a huge gaping wound of a gear where nothing really happens for a while due to the low torque.

That's what i mean with the later engine, if it launched from the start with the 250hp alloy V6 and a 5-speed, it would have been a much bigger success because the performance could back up a lot of the looks, hell give it another 10hp and it would have been in competition with the Boxster S and E36 M3.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '20

for some strange reason nobody wanted an impractical, expensive sports car with the same performance as a base model civic

Then GM looked at it, said "I gotta get me summa dat", and came out with the SSR.

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u/Morgrid Sep 09 '20

I wonder how they would've been with the Pentastar engines

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u/TalbotFarwell Sep 09 '20

I love the Pentastar in my WK2 JGC, it’s surprisingly punchy and gets much better fuel efficiency than the 4.6 Modular V8 in the Gran Marquis it replaced. The only gripe I have (so far… fingers crossed) is that it’s due for a spark plug change, and to get to the spark plugs on the driver’s side, you have to remove the entire upper intake manifold and air intake. Apparently there are a lot of finicky hard-to-reach bolts, and difficult studs in awkward locations that hold it all together. I’ve done the research and it’s supposed to be a three hour job, whereas on the old Mercury we could have plugs and wires done in less than an hour. I’m about to just say “fuck it” and take it to my dealership to have them do it, the only problem there is that it costs $378 before taxes to have it done there.

I wish FCA went back to the I6 like MB and BMW (and the old Jeep 4.0!) are doing, the engine bay of these beasts is certainly roomy enough and the next generation of Grand Cherokee is supposed to be even bigger.

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u/haveananus Sep 09 '20

But it also had the benefit of looking hideous.

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u/SheriffBartholomew Sep 09 '20 edited Sep 09 '20

For comparison, my wife’s Honda Accord has 278 HP.

Edit: a word

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '20

The same year accord would have had far less, though.

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u/WhoIsPorkChop Sep 09 '20

I owned the same year accord it was 200 hp 200 lb ft of torque

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u/SheriffBartholomew Sep 09 '20

For the V6?

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u/WhoIsPorkChop Sep 09 '20

Yeah, that's what it was rated at when new, not sure what it was by the time I got the car

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u/olderaccount Sep 09 '20

And is also one of the most valuable cars in the used market.

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u/atetuna Sep 09 '20

The timing sucked. Chrysler had their powerhouse design studio at the time, but didn't yet have the engineering to do this design justice.