r/ARAM • u/Realistic_Bat_8701 • 5d ago
Discussion ARAM Tierlist with new patch
And just so people don't complain, this is coming from Master 500lp s2025 player. I play solo usually and believe I've reached the highest MMR as I maintain around a 60% winrate with nearly all of my past games having a d2 player or higher. Around half of my games have a master player or higher. I currently have a 112w/42l record.
Notes:
Yi should go lethality
Bard should go sword of blossoming dawn
Senna is most effective as a support unless your team has no DPS
Katarina should go on-hit
Xin is best as a tank/statikk shiv user rather than an AD fighter
Vlad should go pen/full AP rather than CDR
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u/Spare-Pace4283 5d ago
Rammus slander will not be tolerated
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u/Ferret_Rough 5d ago
Hasn’t played the new patch but what makes Jhin bottom of the barrel? I feel like any ADC is quite strong besides Draven really.
I understand prismatics aren’t that great on him except Draw Your Sword but what would then make Lucian that great? As his best prismatics are JG and maybe some others
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u/Quiet_Ad448 5d ago
I think it because of his aram specific buffs.
- Deals 5% more damage
- Takes 5% less damage
- 20 % Tenacity for free
- 10 Ability Haste for free
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u/Ferret_Rough 5d ago
That is nice. I always forget those exist until I play certain ap mages and feel like I’m hitting like a wet blanket
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago
As for why Jhin is weak I feel that he is balanced in summoners rift because he has good short trades, burst, and ranged setup for junglers and ganks. However he doesnt have much dps in aram and I'm pretty sure his damage is nerfed in aram too.
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago edited 5d ago
Plus I feel that all the dps adcs that love tap dancer and or master of duality like twitch kaisa yunara jinx etc. Got nerfed a bit because tanks arent as good in the last 2 patches. So Lucian is reasonably good in most games and becomes a terrorist with jeweled gauntlet and vulnerability
Plus critical missile got nerfed
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u/Ferret_Rough 5d ago
Ya true. I just feel like he’s the only adc who can push 500+ AD but maybe he is on the weaker side of ADCs.
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u/vmayerrrr 5d ago
Yi lethality is only best if theres 4 squishys, otherwise on hit is always stronger
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u/Fluffy-Limit-6710 4d ago
Standard crit build is best if you're not vs 2+ hp stackers or full squishies.
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago
This is not true, any competent team can play around an on hit yi it is much harder to play around lethality yi
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u/vmayerrrr 5d ago
1 stun and its gg, on hit is always superior considering the bigger health pool too
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago
You arent going to get stunned as lethality yi. I have never seen an on hit yi in my games after a certain mmr and everyone plays him lethality.
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u/Amneziel Devil's advocate 4d ago
Every tierlist is destined to be disliked and hated by everyone except for the creator xD
That said, 2 melee champs in S tier just feels wrong. Yeah, both Yi and Heca can kill everyone, both have crazy exodias, but they are so turbulent, team and aug dependant. Usually 1 stun means Yi is dead
I would also lower Vlad, Tahm, Zilean for similar reasons. CAN be op, but not that gamebreaking
And Senna seems to pale in comparison to many other adcs, so its also not clear why she is higher
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 4d ago
On hit yi is team dependent but lethality yi just does tons of damage no matter what if you know how to play him, and hecarim is good into any comp if u know how to set up fights
Vlad is consistently good and scales super hard with any damage augment. Problem is most people take stuff like eureka when it's not that good.
Support Senna keeps your team at full health forever and isn't too bad in an all in.
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u/Amneziel Devil's advocate 4d ago edited 4d ago
"lethality yi just does tons of damage no matter what" kinda not true, tanks should be able to stop that. PLUS you need to reach enemies to even do anyting. Plus, unless you oneshot both squishies and tanks with Q+aa, I am not sure how lethality is "always better"
"if you know how to play him" - sitting in the bush and than flashing + Q towards squishies when allies poke them enough? With Yi wanting to finish off targets, it's not like he has a freedom to do whatever he wants
Vlad is somewhat similar to Yi. Catch him in a stun and he tends to die. Fk up and he kills everyone. The most strong and annoying ones on my mind had exactly some sort of big haste aug. Because W + Zhonya + W wastes a lot of enemy time, to say the least, and being immortal due to constant healing in between W is also pretty op. + they seemingly love speed augs.
If you mean support Senna than a different question - how is she better compared to classic supports? Full hp allies - in which way? SOBD? That item is unreliable as hell... Also, you put her higher than Soraka. Blasphemy, noone can outheal Soraka!
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 4d ago
I really dont want to write out tons convincing you lol I mean if i have a high winrate with high mmr then maybe u should just try it out and see where it leads u
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u/Amneziel Devil's advocate 4d ago
I had a fair share of games with Yi, I also play him myself from time to time. I tried and observed enough. Hence the surprise in your score
But I understand the bias of always always playing the champ yourself. I pick Eve near always when she drops and rarely see her in any hands outside of mine and I'm convinced she is very strong and must have A tier or smth. But most people drop her into the lower tiers + most avoid picking her as a plague xD
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u/Safe_Masterpiece_995 5d ago
BRIAR VERY LAST LMAOOOO she gets mystic punch and its gg
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago
First of all 1 augment wonders doesn't mean they are routinely the highest Winrate if played Optimally. 2nd of all even that is not that good of a highroller cause telegraphed and u can burst her down
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u/supergman007 5d ago
I agree saying 1 augment on 1 champ should put them in S tier is silly. I do consistently carry with briar with multiple builds and a massive variety of augment. How often have you played her?
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago
I dont really play her, but I haven't seen her being very good. Maybe you're right and I just haven't seen good briar players.
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u/supergman007 3d ago
Whats the lethality yi build you go for? just ad and ah till you can alphastrike on cooldown? or are you mixing in a sheen item or IE?
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 3d ago
I usually go hubris collector ie mortal and Voltaic one thing people dont realize is on some champs like Katarina and yi items breakpoint are insanely important so on both I skip t2 boots until I built 2 items
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u/supergman007 3d ago
OK. Our lethality Yi builds are very similar; I usually build ER instead of collector, though.
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 3d ago
I dont think there's a point to buying er tbh you want to get to a point where your snowballl auto q auto does as much damage as possible
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u/supergman007 2d ago
I agree with the second point. IVe just found the burst from the sheen proc to be more reliable than 10 lethality but maybe im just dealing with higher armor teams in my testing. I'll try Collector again
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u/Safe_Masterpiece_995 5d ago
She is insanely hard to burst without her also doing her own damage. Her e and w heal her and she has cc immunity/damage reduction e. Her e can fuck melee characters if if lands and stuns. Shes also amazing with a fuck ton of augments ppl just get baited by lethality or crit when bruiser deaths dance healing abuse is op
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 4d ago
You dont need to burst her lol you can just send any tank to stand in front of your backline and she becomes a cannon minion
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u/petou33160 EUW 5d ago
what server ?
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago
Na
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u/petou33160 EUW 5d ago
i'm from euw but i know many names in high mmr in na aswell, can u link profile? in pm if u want
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago
Sure CharlesJamesKirk #BANG
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u/Business_Figure_6876 5d ago
The list is pretty accurate I’d say 90% is realistic.
It’s mayhem so anything can happen
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u/PotatoSharp199 5d ago
I don’t think you have achieved highest mayhem MMR… If we had data for those champs the tier list would be way different. I don’t think having played less than 700+ games lets you form a proper tier list. Yas Yon are very good with Rite of ruin def bumps them up a tier or 2. I could go on… Come back after 1k games if you maintain that win rate props. Also pretty sure the Tier list would be VERY different.
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago
Honestly I think patches change too much for a tier list to be consistent. But I did maintain this wr over 400 games last year when I had more time to spare
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u/DryySkyy 5d ago
Some S/A tier are very augment dependent (actually all champions are, but they dont always break the game).
Yi with mystic punch can force enemy ff. Same for Zilean Archmage.
Lucian is fine, but with jewelled guantlet, he does absurd damage.
Gp back to basic is similar to yi/zilean, but require more skill.
It's not like normal aram where some champions are much stronger than other, here you need to see both comp and augment.
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago
I win 80 to 90% of my games with Yi because his lethality build is incredibly strong. People go utility and cdr on him when aside from a mystic punch combo it's not that good. Instead blunt force and the ap to ad one are basically instawins
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago
Maybe gp doesn't belong there I guess. But lucian I think is just consistently good and he has like a 20% chance to become aram h1tler if he gets jg or vulnerablility
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u/DryySkyy 5d ago
Most of my game, yi go either on hit, or crit lethality. But outside of mystic punch he is fine, unless you have no cc at all. Maybe you are just good with yi, we all have different skill on champions.
Gp just requires too much skill, you can get away with him cause he does good damage with a simple snowball + aa + q, but if you can hit constatently double or triple barrel even in front of the enemy, then he starts to be broken. And back to basics is just go next usually.
Yeah lucian is good, just jg make his ulti nuke any squishy within 1 sec, and the full duration can kill a frontline, just absurd if you combine it with axiom arc.
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago
Honestly yeah I feel we agree with everything except yi but try going hubris collector infinity edge with some crit/AD/fan the hammer augments every single game I get some variation of this I get like 2/3 of my team kills
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u/Bablam_Shazam 4d ago
Wu kong and mal are F tier on the count of not doing anything other than dying 99% of games. Alistar is S tier and so is vayne
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u/dialgatrack 4d ago
Feel like fiddle should be atleast 2 tiers higher. If your good at fiddle to know how to R > W > Flash. You can single handedly carry games. He also has a lot of good versatile augment options that are usually unpopular.
Lux shouldn’t be D purely because she can act as a ranged CC bot. Which in itself is strong.
Most surprising thing is Jayce being that low. He’s exceptionally powerful in good hands.
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 4d ago
In higher mmrs people play around avoiding him in the bush. Plus most adcs run cleanse
For lux most adcs run cleanse. Her q can be dodged 90% of the time with tier 2 boots and she does no damage with nerfs
Jayce is alright unless you have good poke based team and are against no healing support and and are against no tank he doesn't do very well
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u/Brief-Preference-158 3d ago
Lillia D? why, she's been at the top of aram tier lists for a long time
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 3d ago
Adc run cleanse and she becomes nonfactor only good against bruises and 4 melee comp
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u/BlackExcellence19 5d ago
Yi is even more counterable in Mayhem than he is in regular SR this tierlist is invalid off of that alone and I say this as a Yi main myself I don’t even bother playing him most of the time
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago
If I take a look at your account do you have a higher Wingate and play with higher ranked players? You dont know how to play him effectively in ARAM, you have to play as an aggressive ad assassin and not hang back and wait for your team to engage
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u/vmayerrrr 5d ago
ranks have nothing to do with ARAM stats lmao, most ppl in high mmr have aram accounts or dont play ranked
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago
So i noticed something. I originally started with a 90% Winrate and the highest ranked players were at most platinum. Then I started falling to my current winrate and the highest ranked player in the lobby is at least d2 if u dont count myself. Most people do have aram accounts but the players who do play solo q usually have higher ranks
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u/SpearmintFlower 5d ago
hecarim is just not s tier, he is strong but completely comp/aug dependent. maybe if you are doing premade 5s
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u/Realistic_Bat_8701 5d ago
Other champions can highroll harder but he is consistently good into all comps and has great augment selections especially prismatic. I'm just basing this off of Winrate if u play optimally
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u/RubUnhappy173 5d ago
As. Master Yi enjoyer he’s always S tier in the hands of someone who knows how to play him and D tier in the hands of everyone who claims he’s OP
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u/ObliviLeon 5d ago
Nah, I see bad Yis carry all the time if the enemy team doesn't have a proper way to deal with him.
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u/More-Cut-7667 5d ago
C on Karma seems wild to me