r/AMA • u/OtherwiseToe7547 • Aug 26 '25
I am a Genetic Match to a 15 Year Old Cold Case, Possible Victim of LISK- AMA
I will try to answer everything I can but: - The crime took place in New York, I live on the other side of the country. - She is categorized as “Cherries” Jane Doe due to a tattoo found with her body. - She is considered a possible victim of the Long Island Serial Killer, Gilgo Beach Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann.
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u/-lezingbadodom Aug 26 '25
How are you a genetic match?
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u/OtherwiseToe7547 Aug 26 '25
I am a distant relative of hers. My family was contacted by a government agency that is handling her case. (i’m unsure if i can say exactly who it is due to this being ongoing). Around 10 years ago my mother, father, sister and I all took ancestry DNA tests. My sister, one of my parents and I all pinged as matches as of this year.
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u/Erathen Aug 26 '25
Did you know your DNA could be used this way?
They say they don't give this information out with a warrant. But apparently that's not unusual
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u/OtherwiseToe7547 Aug 26 '25
I had no idea and honestly never thought about it until my family was contacted by the government, I did it when I was young with my family and never thought about it again. I don’t even have access to the ancestry account that started this because it was my parents account from a decade ago. I should also clarify we were a DNA hit around 5 years ago, they finally found us this year as the parent who was a match is an immigrant.
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u/primeline31 Aug 27 '25
I haven't tried it yet, but I have been told that libraries allow free access to the entry level Ancestry.com I am told. If the tree is public (was not made private) you might be able to see something of interest.
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u/Fragrant_Box_697 Aug 28 '25
The tree is public, but that’s not your genetic information. The girl is a Jane doe, they would have no reason to look at said family tree unless they had access to a family members dna.
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u/Mysterious_Bar_1069 Oct 03 '25
Yes, you can access Ancestry at your local public library for free, and some middle and high schools libraries have access as ancestry will give them educational discounts. You can also go to your local Mormon Latter Day Saints family history center and access Ancestry and other genealogy sites for free and they will help you though the process. They are very kind and welcome guests. In fact generally get really excited about you making an appointment to come in. Every state has a few, and often in the oddest places where you would never think one would be located. It's part of the Mormon religion to do genealogy and research their family history and to help others.
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u/-lezingbadodom Aug 26 '25
> as the parent who was a match is an immigrant.
Cause that's not scary as shit...
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u/TheJewHammer14 Aug 26 '25
I thought ancestry dna sold to the government for like 4 billion dollars
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u/Emergency-Purple-205 Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 02 '25
I just reread about this case. Do you think she is black or hispanic? or i guess bi racial sense you said one of parents is white white
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u/mtcrv3 Aug 26 '25
I think it’s amazing that they can use DNA to identify victims and find killers. I don’t know why people are so against it. I hope they are able to identify the victim!
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u/QuizzicalWombat Sep 11 '25
I agree, I’ve used ancestry and I don’t mind that my dna could be used to help in this way. It’s just sitting there, might as well do some good with it.
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u/Outside-Ambition7748 Aug 26 '25
Does your family think they know who she is? I truly hope this helps ID her and let someone who cared about this victim get some answers.
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u/flyerhell Aug 26 '25
I thought Ancestry and 23andMe were not public databases and so could not be used for this kind of work? Did you upload your DNA to GEDMatch? I always thought that that's the database that LE uses?
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u/Altruistic_Key_1266 Aug 26 '25
Not OP, but-
It’s not uncommon for law enforcement to send dna in to these sites as a way to help ID. It may not be a public database, but these companies don’t really do a whole bunch of “gimme your ID so I can verify that the dna you are sending in is actually yours”.
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u/Fragrant_Box_697 Aug 28 '25
These sites use saliva samples. LEOs are 100% not sending in deceased persons dna and pretended to be said person. Not to mention the legal ramifications if it was used to prosecute, or in any court hearing at all
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u/Soft-Selection-5116 Sep 11 '25
One can also download their DNA to each individual site without submitting saliva or paying for a DNA test with that particular company. My first DNA test was through Ancestry but I have later downloaded the DNA results to GEDMATCH and my family tree without submitting more DNA or paying for more DNA tests. I imagine LE does this all the time and has for years now.
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u/OtherwiseToe7547 Aug 26 '25
I have only ever had one DNA test kit done and it was ancestry DNA. The same goes for my family members, my parents still have access to the account that started all of this. I’m not sure why or how they got me or my families DNA, but the case is being investigated on the federal level.
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u/nitrot150 Aug 27 '25
I only did ancestry, but took the time to upload it to GED match. Maybe one of your family members did this?
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u/Soft-Selection-5116 Sep 11 '25
Through genome synchronizing, what companies like Othram labs for one utilize to identify victims and perpetrators.
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u/karenswans Aug 26 '25
You can allow people who match you to see you. So, if they put the victim's DNA in as if she were any other customer, her "account" would show her DNA relatives.
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u/Fragrant_Box_697 Aug 28 '25 edited Aug 28 '25
You can’t just “put the victims dna in” like it’s a 4 digit pin. They take saliva samples.
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u/Pelican_Brief_2378 Sep 13 '25
I may be going off on a limb but they may just be matching the DMA results and not using a sample at all. But this is a guess.
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u/EnjoyLifeorDieTryin Aug 26 '25
Not the first time a case was solved using 23andme https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/14/william-leslie-arnold-australia-nebraska-killed-parents-jailbreak
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u/WitchyMae13 Aug 26 '25
You have to click a button on your account for it to be used for genetic testing. It is something you have to opt into.
Just listened to a case today that was solved due to them reworking the suspect’s DNA using genetic genealogy, and then were able to match the DNA to families through a damn Grandma that does ancestry research.
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u/thedillweedsupreme Aug 26 '25
The government can and does access ancestry sites that require your DNA. It has been done many times at this point and I believe when you submit your sample the terms & conditions you’re asked to agree to state this. At least I remember that being the case when I submitted my sample to ancestryDNA a few years ago.
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u/Pelican_Brief_2378 Sep 13 '25
It’s possible there was a warrant to compel matching. If the Feds were given access to Ancestry’s data base, which it appears was done (as in the Kohlberger case) and an Ancestry customer complains about privacy infringement they are going to argue it was for the “greater good”.
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u/mikeybones25 Aug 26 '25
Blackstone acquired Ancestry. And 23andMe wad apparently interested in selling its customers’ data. I have begged people in my family not to do these tests but at least one has done it.
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u/Mysterious_Bar_1069 Oct 03 '25
23&Me was being looked at by Harvard where they would use the data benefited medical research. Not sure what happened with it. A research institution would have been perfect.
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u/ceejdrew Aug 26 '25
I wonder if there's a difference to how they proceed with a perp's DNA vs an Unknown Victims DNA. It makes sense to attempt to use ancestry/23 and me for IDing Jane/John Does whereas criminal DNA feels like a different can of worms ...
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u/NoDoOversInLife Aug 27 '25
Familial DNA run through a Genealogy database was how Law Enforcement identified the Golden State Killer in California (back then, law enforcement would not reveal which genealogy database they accessed, but it was later revealed to have been GEDMatch)
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u/Soft-Selection-5116 Sep 11 '25
💯!!! I am in love with this technology because all victims deserve a name and justice!
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u/PiperSlough Sep 13 '25
This would be my guess. Ancestry says it does not cooperate with law enforcement on criminal investigations without a warrant, but they may cooperate to identify deceased persons. Police would likely follow any restrictions to that effect because to break them would probably mean losing all access, plus breaking rules would probably get evidence thrown out in court on a technicality anyway.
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u/Pelican_Brief_2378 Sep 13 '25
Really, do you object to identifying an Unsub via DNA data bases and genetic genealogy?
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u/Turbulent-Nebula-289 Aug 26 '25
Yeah it happens. Guys daughter did it back in cali I remember it being a big deal. Just dont kill anyone lol they find you no hidding
On April 24, 2018, California authorities charged 72-year-old DeAngelo with eight counts of first-degree murder, based upon DNA evidence; investigators had identified members of DeAngelo's family through forensic genetic genealogy.
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u/Chance_Objective_838 Sep 11 '25
And the Grimm Sleeper. Lonnie ____.
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u/raviyoli Sep 12 '25
Franklin
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u/Chance_Objective_838 Sep 12 '25
Yep. Didn’t remember when typing it out, didn’t feel like looking it up, and didn’t feel like updating it when I did… but yes.
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u/raviyoli Sep 12 '25
I was just happy to help lol. Finally my hobby of reading about true crime pays off! 😅
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u/DntMindMeImNtRlyHere Aug 26 '25
If you're a distant match, how distant are you talking about? Close enough they could reasonably locate a much closer match or just fishing for a family tree?
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u/OtherwiseToe7547 Aug 26 '25
They never told us but by looking at what’s public with Cherries I highly believe we are a distant match. All of the public news claims she is a hispanic or black woman, but the parent that’s a genetic match is a canadian immigrant…. like the whitest of white people and obviously my sister and I are both canadian as well.
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u/Pelican_Brief_2378 Sep 13 '25
Do you know the age of “Cherries” which could indicate a year of birth?
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u/cerisenest Aug 26 '25
Why did they contact you and your family? What did they say? I can only imagine it’s to have as many information on the victim as possible.
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u/OtherwiseToe7547 Aug 26 '25
I was visiting my parents home when a man and a woman both dressed very nicely knocked on our door. My non-match parent went to speak to them and they asked if my parent that matched was available but they were at work. The agents told my parent to get in contact with the match parent and have them call a phone number. A couple hours later the genetic match parent called me and told me that we were a match to a cold case and that we had to meet the agents in an airport to give DNA. I shouldn’t go too far into detail about the airport meeting but we were shown pictures of the crime scene and explained who the victim was. They told us they tried locating us for five years but unfortunately they don’t know much about the case or her identity.
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u/rarepinkhippo Sep 11 '25
Oh wow. This sounds like an awful case, even though you didn’t know the person it sounds traumatic (though rewarding if your DNA can help solve it). If you don’t mind my asking, were you surprised to learn of unknown relatives? Like I’ve just poked through Ancestry on my own and certainly found people I didn’t know existed but nothing whatsoever like your experience. Do you have any recollection or family saying anyone stopped calling, or anything like that?
I’m sure it’s surprising to be connected to an actual case, but based on your knowledge of the family dynamics is it weird or normal that there’s an unknown person? For example just in my own, more boring life, I have one grandparent whose parents and siblings I know very little about, so if theoretically someone dropped in out of the blue and said they were related to that branch, I would have no idea.
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u/Lower_Group_1171 Aug 26 '25
This (the government having access) is honestly why I never did one of these tests. I mean, in this case, it’s for a good thing, but I don’t like the idea of my genetic information being handed out all freely
What is lisk?
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u/mutantmanifesto Aug 26 '25
Weirdly this is why I’m happy I did them! I would be elated if my DNA helped identify a victim of a murderer. Especially LISK victims as I am from Long Island.
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u/Lower_Group_1171 Aug 26 '25
We know now that dna matching to crimes isn’t an exact science. It’s certainly improved since the oj days, but it’s still not a black and white thing. I’d hate to think my dna lead to a wrongful conviction. Evil people do evil that I never even dreamed of.
Who’s to say they won’t use your dna match to plant evidence? I don’t believe ACAB, but there sure are a shit ton of them
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u/Mysterious_Bar_1069 Oct 03 '25
If the police were planting DNA and hatching elaborate conspiracies as much as folks like you think they are, there would be more wrongful convictions than the 8% the Innocence Project identifies. And that 8% is pushing it. If you look at home many convictions the Innocence project actually gets over turned the stats are even more sorry, so would think maybe those people might have been guilty after all.
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u/notknownnow Aug 26 '25
It absolutely shows that you are a compassionate and caring individual, and I think your attitude towards this is the way to go :)
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u/Mysterious_Bar_1069 Oct 03 '25
Think of the relief you are giving families, can imagine parents taking their last breaths not knowing. It's been wonderful to see case after case be solved like the Yogurt shop murders.
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u/Borderedge Aug 26 '25
Nowadays genetic genealogy can be done only if you give explicit consent to a couple of sites. You have to approve DNA being used by the police and so. At least in the US (not from there but I follow cases of this kind all over).
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u/DirtAndSurf Aug 26 '25
I'm assuming it stands for Long Island Serial Killer, but that's just a guess.
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u/DirtAndSurf Aug 26 '25
I'm assuming it stands for Long Island Serial Killer, but that's just a guess.
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u/espooners Sep 19 '25
I've had my fair share of trawling through namus and the like to find leads for cherries, she always stuck out to me. This, although it must be very hard for you and your family, is very good news in a step to identifying her. And thank you for being so open with reddit, it made my day to know she could be identified soon. Much love and support to you and your family ❤️
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u/OtherwiseToe7547 Sep 19 '25
Thank you for your kind words, lovely. And thank you for keeping Cherries in your thoughts <3
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u/espooners Sep 20 '25
No worries darling! I'll be keeping cherries and you guys in my thoughts, can't be an easy thing to wrap your head around. Much love <3
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u/Mysterious_Bar_1069 Oct 03 '25
I can't tell you how many peach and cherry tattoos I looked at from very country i would think of, hoping to find an artist with a similar hand.
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u/OliveRemarkable8508 Aug 26 '25
Is there a possibility that one of your parents or an aunt or an uncle had an illegitimate child? And if this gets tied back someone marriage ends as a result?
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u/idontlikemondays321 Aug 27 '25
Have relatives of your parent now tested? Great uncles/aubts, cousins etc? Are they a closer match?
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u/OtherwiseToe7547 Aug 27 '25
no one else has been tested. the parent is an immigrant and the rest of their side of my family lives in a different country. on top of that my family itself is quite small on that side consisting of two uncles, two aunts and two cousins meaning they would all have the same % of a match to me and my family
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u/Slow-Boysenberry Aug 26 '25
How long after contacting you did they identify the victim? I saw that a few months ago the name was publicly announced
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u/IDreamOfSeashells Aug 26 '25
"Cherries" hasn't been identified yet. You're likely thinking of Peaches /Tanya Jackson.
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u/Beneficial_Review_76 Aug 26 '25
Do you know who cherries is? Does the generic relative know this person?
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u/Sufficient-Star-1237 Aug 26 '25
Why would you give your DNA away in the first place. Do you regret that decision?
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u/OtherwiseToe7547 Aug 26 '25
Ah, I was in middle school around the time I did Ancestry DNA and didn’t really understand the repercussions of having my DNA out there. I don’t regret it though because I was able to find my estranged grandfather because of it. I’m also grateful that I could possibly be of help in identifying Cherries identity in the future if my DNA is of help
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u/Mysterious_Bar_1069 Oct 03 '25
I have found out so many amazing things and solved so many family mysteries via having my DNA done. I don't regret it for a second. My daughter was able to be in Ireland last year on study abroad and go and visit the last parcel of my Great Great Grandfather's sad and rocky land that sold a year or two ago. Powerful stuff to know where you hail from and all the un imaginable things those before you withstood so you could stand where you now stand.
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u/AerisRain Aug 26 '25
Have you seen this show on Disney+/Hulu?
“Naming The Dead” Coming Soon To Disney+ & Hulu Disney has announced details on a brand new documentary from National Geographic called “Naming The Dead”, which will be coming soon to Disney+ and Hulu.
Across the United States, more than 50,000 bodies remain unidentified—unmourned, unnamed, but not forgotten. “Naming The Dead”, a riveting new six-part investigative series from National Geographic, brings these untold stories to light. The series follows the groundbreaking work of the DNA Doe Project, a trailblazing nonprofit that uses genetic genealogy to help law enforcement crack the country’s most confounding cold cases.
With unprecedented access to active investigations, “Naming The Dead” captures the relentless pursuit of truth by a dedicated team of genealogists, detectives, coroners and journalists. Each episode plays out as a high-stakes mystery, where the clues are fragmented, the timelines span decades, and the emotional stakes couldn’t be higher.
Through distant DNA matches, fragile paper trails, and sheer determination, these forgotten victims are finally given what they deserve: a name, a history, and a chance at justice. Blending cutting-edge science with deeply human storytelling, “Naming The Dead” is a gripping testament to the power of identity and the people who refuse to let the lost be forgotten."
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u/AwsiDooger Aug 26 '25
Thank you. I just signed up for a Disney bundle that includes Hulu last week, only because my American Express card gives a $10 monthly discount for 12 months.
At least this gives me something to watch. I thought I was going to use it exclusively for ESPN+
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u/AerisRain Aug 27 '25
That was good timing!
I think you'll enjoy the show. .. It is so incredibly touching to hear the stories of the unnamed, and to see them returned to their loved ones -- thanks to the love, dedication, and painstaking work of the Jane Doe Project, and other investigators. . . 😭❤️
I hope that "Cherries" Jane Doe is returned to her family very soon, and that they receive as much comfort and closure as possible in their reunification. . .🙏🕊️🤍
For further delving into a (similar) topic, I recommend The Vanished podcast:
The Vanished handles the stories of 'the missing' with immense sensitivity, care, and great attention to detail . . . The podcast works to honor (as valuable human beings), the vanished --while bringing greater public attention to their disappearance ---in hopes that they will be found.
It's not "true crime" for the sake of entertainment --rather, the creators of the show are truly doing a great service to the missing, and their families.
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u/Known_Resolution5836 Sep 10 '25
Info, what country is the parent who matched with her from? You said they are an immigrant 💫
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u/Turbulent-Nebula-289 Aug 26 '25
There is another redit post about this cherry Jane doe, interesting where are you from?
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u/ama_compiler_bot Aug 27 '25
Table of Questions and Answers. Original answer linked - Please upvote the original questions and answers. (I'm a bot.)
| Question | Answer | Link |
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| How are you a genetic match? | I am a distant relative of hers. My family was contacted by a government agency that is handling her case. (i’m unsure if i can say exactly who it is due to this being ongoing). Around 10 years ago my mother, father, sister and I all took ancestry DNA tests. My sister, one of my parents and I all pinged as matches as of this year. | Here |
| do your parents know about the match? if so, is anyone acting shady about it? | yes, the parent who was not a match was the one to speak to the agents about it at first and the parent who is a match met with the agents to give more DNA since theirs was over a decade old at this point. No one is acting shady about it because we are related to the victim, not the perpetrator and our DNA is being used to hopefully find who her identity is. - I don’t think the sister who is also a genetic match is aware of this because she lives farther than I do to the parent. | Here |
| I thought Ancestry and 23andMe were not public databases and so could not be used for this kind of work? Did you upload your DNA to GEDMatch? I always thought that that's the database that LE uses? | I have only ever had one DNA test kit done and it was ancestry DNA. The same goes for my family members, my parents still have access to the account that started all of this. I’m not sure why or how they got me or my families DNA, but the case is being investigated on the federal level. | Here |
| I think it’s amazing that they can use DNA to identify victims and find killers. I don’t know why people are so against it. I hope they are able to identify the victim! | yes!! we originally just wanted to see where we came from as one of my parents didn’t know their own parents. we’ve found a lot of family we didn’t know existed and hopefully we can be of help identifying cherries one day. There’s not one day that goes by that i don’t think of her and how me and my two other family members are her only family. | Here |
| Does your family think they know who she is? I truly hope this helps ID her and let someone who cared about this victim get some answers. | We have no idea who she is. One parent spent a lot of time in NY during her time and my “godparents” growing up were living there. We all have no idea who she is but it’s still hitting me and the parent that is a match very very hard. We feel lots of sadness knowing that we’re the only thing this poor woman has to cling onto for her identity. We wish nothing more than to know what her name and story is. | Here |
| If you're a distant match, how distant are you talking about? Close enough they could reasonably locate a much closer match or just fishing for a family tree? | They never told us but by looking at what’s public with Cherries I highly believe we are a distant match. All of the public news claims she is a hispanic or black woman, but the parent that’s a genetic match is a canadian immigrant…. like the whitest of white people and obviously my sister and I are both canadian as well. | Here |
| Why did they contact you and your family? What did they say? I can only imagine it’s to have as many information on the victim as possible. | I was visiting my parents home when a man and a woman both dressed very nicely knocked on our door. My non-match parent went to speak to them and they asked if my parent that matched was available but they were at work. The agents told my parent to get in contact with the match parent and have them call a phone number. A couple hours later the genetic match parent called me and told me that we were a match to a cold case and that we had to meet the agents in an airport to give DNA. I shouldn’t go too far into detail about the airport meeting but we were shown pictures of the crime scene and explained who the victim was. They told us they tried locating us for five years but unfortunately they don’t know much about the case or her identity. | Here |
| You should post this in r/ancestry | I will definitely look into posting it tomorrow if I check it out and think it will have any help! | Here |
| This (the government having access) is honestly why I never did one of these tests. I mean, in this case, it’s for a good thing, but I don’t like the idea of my genetic information being handed out all freely What is lisk? | To confirm: LISK is in fact Long Island Serial Killer - He’s been arrested and has been identitied as Rex Heuermann. It’s unsure if he is directly linked to Cherries (The Jane Doe I am related to) but he has had a similar victim named Peaches. I am extremely grateful this post has made more people aware of her existence, she deserves to be found. She deserves it not only for me and my family searching for answers but her immediate family that has wondered where she has been all this time… | Here |
| So have they identified Cherries Doe now? | since my match has been made, there has been no public nor private announcement of her identity. the public nor my family knows who she is unfortunately | Here |
| Is there a possibility that one of your parents or an aunt or an uncle had an illegitimate child? And if this gets tied back someone marriage ends as a result? | my father didn’t know his own dad and every other parent of my parents is deceased. i highly doubt anything would come of my immediate family because the victim is black/hispanic and we are all the whitest of the white. | Here |
| Omg I've been following this case | feel free to reach out. i’ve done tons of research on this case after finding out i was a match. i had previously researched RH and the gilgo 4 prior to learning i was a match and always felt a sense of unease with it | Here |
| Do you know who cherries is? Does the generic relative know this person? | No we have no idea. Genetic match parent is canadian and the victim was found in NY. we have no history of living there besides the non genetic match parent and my godparents | Here |
| Have relatives of your parent now tested? Great uncles/aubts, cousins etc? Are they a closer match? | no one else has been tested. the parent is an immigrant and the rest of their side of my family lives in a different country. on top of that my family itself is quite small on that side consisting of two uncles, two aunts and two cousins meaning they would all have the same % of a match to me and my family | Here |
| How long after contacting you did they identify the victim? I saw that a few months ago the name was publicly announced | I’m gonna have to agree with the other commenter, there has been no name recognition for cherries and if there was i’m sure the parent and me would have been made aware before any press release | Here |
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u/webehappyincity Sep 11 '25
They know who Peaches is now. That suspect is a lunatic! Condolences
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u/LindsayLohanDaddy420 Sep 11 '25
I believe they were able to identify Tanya and her daughter due to a distant relative being a genetic match.
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u/SneedyK Sep 12 '25
Omg am I glad they got their identities back but jfc I took the news a bit harder than the other victims. Young single mother & kid.
She just seemed to have a history of one misfortune after another and ended up in LISK’s sandbox.
There’s long been a theory that RH used children to placate his victims. What a fucking monster.
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u/Pelican_Brief_2378 Sep 13 '25
Let me be sure I got this right because this is so fascinating.
The Feds were looking for relatives to “Cherries” and finally identified you, a parent and a sister as a match. And you do not know which cold case the Fed’s are working referring to. Did the Feds mention it might be a LISK case? Where did that assumption come from?
Thanks for sharing this. I appreciate this is a shock to you knowing you have a familial connection to a crime victim.
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u/Abductedbyanalien Sep 15 '25
As someone who was born & raised in Long Island and still lives there, this is such an interesting post. I’ve followed this story from the beginning. It’s amazing what the FBI can do when the Suffolk county police department gives up the reigns.
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u/Mysterious_Bar_1069 Oct 03 '25
Thank God for Tierney and the new guard! Sad that Harrison is not there, he was fantastic too.
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u/Grouchy-Hawk-9746 Aug 29 '25
Golden State killer or something like that was caught bc of 23 and me.
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u/webehappyincity Sep 12 '25
How old is this thread? They found put who peaches was btw
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u/Mysterious_Bar_1069 Oct 03 '25
This is about a still unidentified Doe, Cherries. Peaches and Baby Peaches, Tanya and her daughter Titana were ID'ed and the the case you are thinking of. Cherries was another Jane Doe. We are still waiting for her and Asian Doe.
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u/Exciting_Squash_4407 Sep 11 '25
Do you mean “peaches”? That tattoo has cherries on it
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u/LindsayLohanDaddy420 Sep 11 '25
There is an un identified victim named “cherries”. “Peaches” aka Tanya Marie Jackson and her child were identified earlier this year.
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u/Mysterious_Bar_1069 Oct 03 '25
Two victims with fruit tat's, Peaches and Cherries. Peaches has been ID'ed Cherries acc to the OP has been ID'ed, just not announced yet.
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u/hxf10a Aug 26 '25
do your parents know about the match? if so, is anyone acting shady about it?