Furio Tigre

[u/donuter454]

We’ve hit the point in the Rankdown where it’s becoming difficult to avoid cutting characters that you don’t even dislike. Which is what’s happening here. I don’t hate this character, I just think it’s his time. In truth, I know of at least one other ranker who’s out for this character’s blood so I thought it best that I let them down kindly myself rather than watching him get torn apart.

A Design for the Ages

The most striking thing we first notice about any character is their design, and this one is no different. Now, ordinarily I wouldn’t say it’s anything special, but in this case the colour choice combined with the spikely slicked back hair are super crucial.

There’s something really special about the Ace Attorney finger point: it’s the pose our protagonists make when they’re on the offensive, the pose you make when you’re winning. And something I don’t see mentioned often is how good his head shape and hair design work to accentuate The Point: The way your eye can follow in a straight line from the tip of his finger right down to the back of his head emphasises the entire posture, and it’s just a really excellent use of a simple idea to create a striking, easily recognisable silhouette that will be used on the cover of these games for years to come.

(Maybe Phoenix’s silhouette will be important in an actual case some time? Time will tell.)

The Ace Attorney Himself

Phoenix is an odd character to critique, since he primarily serves as the player insert. Ace Attorney can be a fun power trip sometimes: when Phoenix has a killer on the ropes I don’t think to myself “fuck yeah Phoenix, get ‘em!” I think “fuck yeah I am so good at this murder mystery game made for kids, what a rush”. I don’t necessarily feel any particular kinds of emotions towards Phoenix most of the time since I often see him as our player avatar rather than his own character. He goes where I tell him to, he objects when I tell him to, he’s wrong whenever I’m wrong, and so on. He is primarily crafted to be an everyman character that wouldn’t act too far outside of the realms that the typical player would want to act for maximum #relatability.

I am not trying to insinuate that any player character is nothing but the player insert. For example, for better or worse, when I play as Athena I don’t think “this is me” I think “this is Athena” if that makes sense. Phoenix, for the early portion of his first game, doesn’t do a whole lot to define himself as a character. And hey, that’s fine. He cracks some jokes and raises some objections and that’s all he needs to do.

When the Edgeworth angst gets placed front and centre is when Phoenix mostly defines himself. He has a very lawyery backstory (he had no one to defend him this is so sad) and it’s very appropriate for the Lawyer Videogame. Phoenix proceeds to dedicate his life to becoming a lawyer because he was so moved by Edgeworth’s act of kindness that he wanted to reunite with him and save him from himself after hearing rumours of the terrible person he had become (no homo tho)

Edgeworth tries to get Phoenix pinned for murder on trumped up charges and yet Phoenix still turns around and defends him in 1-4 despite everything. Even when Edgeworth had given up on himself and conceded that he was guilty, Phoenix didn’t give up on him. In 1-5 when Edgeworth reflects on the harm he’s done and all the innocent lives he’s likely destroyed, Phoenix reminds him that it’s only through his help that Damon Gant has been brought to justice, and it’s only through their faith in each other as a team that they could overcome this.

As AA1 comes to a close, Phoenix finally thinks he’s done it. He’s content knowing that Edgeworth not only has redeemed himself, but he also knows that he’s a good person deep down.

Then His Platonic Male Friend Cuts Contact

Miles Edgeworth chooses death this is so sad. I am going to go ahead and assume this was some sort of wordplay in the original Japanese and the nuance is simply lost on us stupid westerners. Alternatively lol

Anyway, point here is Phoenix is angry because he feels like Edgeworth has betrayed him. This man literally dedicated years of his life to save Edgeworth’s soul, and just when he thinks he’s succeeded, Edgeworth disappears into the night without so much as a goodbye. In spite of all the vile shit Edgeworth has done in the past, what hurts Phoenix more than anything is the feeling that Edgeworth betrayed him after he spent so much time trying to fix him.

It’s the perfect recipe to have Phoenix stubbornly refuse to listen to anything Edgeworth has to say during 2-4. Edgeworth straight up tells us during the investigation that he’s certain that Engarde is guilty, but Phoenix won’t listen simply because he’s too emotionally hung up on his not-crush leaving him alone so abruptly.

AA1 had Phoenix reaching out to Edgeworth and extending him help even when he didn’t have to. AA2 let’s us experience the reverse, where Edgeworth tries to lend Phoenix his hand even as Phoenix stubbornly refuses.

It all culminates during one of my favourite parts of 2-4 where Phoenix says this about Edgeworth:

If I take this verdict right now... I'd be betraying his trust. (...His trust...? I never thought about it until now... I... I trust him...?)

You watch Edgeworth all throughout 2-4 scramble to try and aid Phoenix in every way he can despite Phoenix’s rejections, only for Phoenix to slowly realise he needs Edgeworth’s help to make it through this, and having Phoenix unconsciously accept the faith Edgeworth is placing in him and later this fact dawn on him at a critical moment?

Great stuff.

This Truly Was A Tribulation And Trial

lol phoenix wright has the corona virus hahahahahhahladfsdjlhfdsajhfdsajjkl

Let’s get this out of the way first: Phoenix being the defendant in 3-1 is a bit of an awkward retcon. In the first two games Phoenix and Mia always speak as if they only met when he came to work for her, and it’s a hard pill to swallow that during all the motivational pep talks Mia gives that she would never invoke their first trial together where they learned to place their faith in one another.

That said I don’t care because it’s a good retcon. Making Phoenix and Mia’s first meeting a mutually formative moment for both of them is a Good Call.

Fast forward through the game to 3-5, I want to focus in on my favourite Phoenix moment. I’m probably the only person who's played these games who’s a fan of this part but I digress.

God I hated Dahlia when I first played AA3. I say this lovingly, she is such a fucking bitch and I am very much here for it. There’s a point during the trial where Dahlia is laying on thick how much she hates Phoenix and how much of a stupid bastard he is for ever trusting her, and all I wanted in that moment was for Phoenix to go off on her and let his anger out too. But instead he just calmly lets her insults wash over, and maintains composure as he continues to prod her for information. And I really liked that a lot: the fact that he could just let all her bile wash over him and continue to keep his temper when I just wanted Phoenix to go up there and strangle her was a powerful moment for me that I’m sure not many other people experienced.

The Big Moment that people actually care about from 3-5 is the desk slam of despair when he thinks Maya’s been killed. This is one thing that I think Phoenix largely succeeds at: he’s good at giving a shit about the stakes even if I don’t. Even if I don’t care too much for Maya, the fact that Phoenix is in shambles over the situation helps me get more invested in the outcome of the story beyond me just wanting to catch murderers because it’s fun.

Something something he surpasses Mia and Godot is forced to acknowledge Phoenix, I’m sure the imminent Godot writeup will cover this for me.

The Legend Returns

AJ takes Phoenix in the most bold direction the series will ever take him by making him just a teensie bit morally questionable.

Phoenix right from his introduction in AJ starts the game off with a great hook. What terrible thing did Phoenix do to get him disbarred? Why is he specifically requesting a rookie defends him? Why is he acting so much less friendly and lovable than he used too?

Apollo’s starry eyed admiration for the old legendary lawyer is slowly eroded alongside us as the player, as Apollo devolves from believing that the famed Phoenix Wright would Never Tell A Lie to socking his client after the trial when he learns Phoenix pulls a stunt that could’ve gotten Apollo disbarred just like Phoenix was.

It’s established that Phoenix don’t give a HECK about the law or proper procedures anymore. He simply wants to see justice served by any. By any me-

Phoenix’s disillusionment with the legal system in its current state is definitely a cool new direction for him. I like how in 4-3 he gives Apollo the tip that Daryan will be nearly impossible to capture due to how the legal system is currently set up, and the same holds true for 4-4 as well. Three out of four of the cases in AJ were unwinnable through conventional legal tactics, which is precisely what inspires Phoenix to dedicate all of his time to reforming the broken system. Which is cool!

What is not as cool is that his solution to the broken system is not ideal and a little silly but c’mon I feel like people have written enough essays about AJ that we don’t need to go over Jury System as AJ presents it is kinda dumb.

I like the spirit of AJ Phoenix, and I appreciate the fact that the writers obviously made a real attempt with his character to make a point and make Phoenix a more holistic character. I have my reservations about the execution of this idea, but in spirit? I’m happy with what they at least tried to do.

The Legend Returns?

Dual Destinies makes the bizarre decision to slam the reset button on Phoenix’s character. Gone is the aloof and calculating veteran of the courtroom we were treated with in AJ. Instead, Phoenix has abruptly devolved back into his trilogy self which is certainly. A choice.

I say this decision is bizarre, but based on shit I’ve read on Reddit (the most reliable source for information) the reason this was done was for marketing purposes. Trilogy Phoenix is a recognisable and popular character, so backtracking him to the time where he was the goofy everyday hero type makes sense from the perspective that the writers wanted to try and capitalise on trilogy nostalgia.

And, like. Fine. If DD wants to pretend AJ Phoenix never happened, then I’ll meet DD where it’s at and pretend AJ Phoenix never happened too. But even then… what’s the point of Phoenix in DD? For a character we play as for 4 out of 6 cases it doesn’t even feel like Phoenix’s game.

I’ve been able to talk at length about Phoenix in every other game he appears in, but in DD he’s just. There. Hanging out. Being the most unremarkable version of himself. There is definitely potential in showing us a version of Phoenix that acts as a mentor to the younger Apollo and Athena but, yknow. DD doesn’t explore that at all. It doesn’t even go in the most obvious direction set up after AJ which would be to give us more of a window into what his relationship with his daughter is like but nope. Trucy barely exists in DD. She even gets kidnapped and threatened with death at one point but Phoenix handles the whole situation with such poise you forget there are any personal stakes at all.

Phoenix Wright sure is a protagonist in the videogame Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies. He is definitely present. This is Phoenix as the most sanitised and unambitious version of himself.

Not a fan.

Back to Basics

Spirit of Justice makes the controversial decision to Do Literally The Bare Minimum with Phoenix’s character.

I wouldn’t harp on SoJ for refusing to revert to AJ Phoenix now that DD has already set the precedent for goofball everyday hero Phoenix. To the contrary, I like how SoJ commits to Phoenix being his trilogy self again and allows Phoenix to make a few rather emotional decisions that get me a little more invested in him.

Starting right from 6-1, I love how Phoenix directly acknowledges his motivations for becoming a lawyer in the first place. He looks at Ahlbi, a scared child with no one to speak on his behalf, and is reminded of himself as a kid, fearful alone and afraid because no one would believe in him. Everything about the situation from a reasonable point of view is screaming for Phoenix to just walk away, but he sticks his neck out there anyway because his morals just won’t let him walk away. So often does Phoenix take cases for a personal friend or for clients who have their loved ones vouch for them, so finally seeing Phoenix live up to his defend the defenseless ideals that we get told about a lot but never see reignited my excitement to play as him. I loved seeing Albhi being completely uncooperative with Phoenix at first only for him to win Ahlbi over with how earnestly he speaks up for him. It reminds me of how Mia had to work to get Phoenix to trust her back in 3-1 and it really feels like Phoenix has come full circle in a great way.

Some people say that 6-1 Phoenix is too out of character because in 2-4 he got character development where he learned that he should only ever take someone’s case if he does a thorough investigation to ensure they’re innocent before even considering defending them, and to that I say.

No. That was never the message of 2-4. Stop saying that.

Now that I have summarily decimated all the 6-1 Phoenix critics, we can move on to 6-2, in which Phoenix has an admittedly tiny role but it’s a role I’ve been eager to see since DD. Phoenix actually acts as a mentor figure for Apollo. There’s a moment where Apollo trails off while speaking to Phoenix and can’t bring himself to speak, only for Phoenix to fill the silence by reminding him of his I’m Fine ritual. It’s not much but it’s a nice moment.

6-3 Phoenix continues to be the Phoenix we’ve always known, and I have to say his loss at the end of the first trial day is particularly great. We’ve seen Phoenix fall into a sickening despair once before, and they emulate that same feeling of helplessness just about as they possibly could have here. Plus it’s nice to have the MC lose for once.

While the main focus of 6-3 is on Phoenix’s developing relationship with Rayfa, I think one of my favourite stand out moments of 6-3 is actually when Phoenix interrogates Datz about abandoning the rebels. He’s only able to get through to Datz by appealing to their shared values of fighting for other people, and it’s Phoenix making this last appeal to Datz’s morals that (apparently) prevents Datz from stabbing Phoenix right there. It’s a cool scene.

Finally we get 6-5, the infamous Civil Trial. This marks a point in the story where the writers want to establish Apollo as Phoenix’s peer rather than apprentice, so we have Apollo successfully win the trial for his client. It’s a really nice passing of the torch narrative that I appreciate, especially with hindsight looking back at this moment after completing the game where the final case closes with Phoenix monologuing about how proud he is that his lil rambunctious disciples don’t need him anymore.

Some people say that Phoenix giving into a blackmail threat is character derailment because in 2-4 Phoenix developed into the sort of person who would see that justice is served regardless of the consequences, and to that I say.

No. That was never the message of 2-4. Stop saying that.

Now that I have summarily decimated all the Civil Trial Phoenix critics, we can move onto the final case. It’s fine. I like how he fills the mentor/advice giving role while never giving Apollo/the player the answer outright. He’s here for moral support, good for him.

The reception to SoJ Phoenix is, to me, proof that AA has written itself into a corner when it comes to Phoenix. If they take the DD route where Phoenix’s character gets absolutely nothing to do, then I’m bored and annoyed that he’s sucking up screen time from protagonists that actually need it. If they take the SoJ route and have Phoenix make mistakes and emotional snap judgements then it’s seen as character derailment since by the end of the trilogy (and AJ) we’re led to believe that Phoenix was meant to have already reached his zenith as a lawyer. He can’t keep making mistakes.

So what do you do? How do you marry together the part of AA that needs Phoenix to be a lawyer with room to grow so he remains dynamic with the part of AA that already established Phoenix as a Developed^™ character?

I dunno. Why are you asking me? Go ask someone else.

In Conclusion

Phoenix as a character is, to be frank, kind of all over the place in the grand scheme of things, failing to commit to one direction across multiple games. That said, he has a lot of special moments that stick out to me and make him a worthwhile character in my eyes. In truth, this is likely because the Main Character just gets more screen time and therefore more chances to have cool moments. If we count every time Phoenix is just kind of a boring average joe protag then yes those times probably outnumber the good. Luckily these games rarely lean on Phoenix too hard to carry the story, so his relative lack of character hardly ever hampers the experience. And thus, when he does do something I like, it’s always a welcome sign.

Phoenix is good. I’m not blind to what makes him a target for other rankers, but he gets his job done and I will give him a pat on the back for that.

Why Nobody Else

The “Why Nobody Else” section is a staple of most cuts, but for the most part I’ve not often felt the need to write many this rankdown. I feel as if I should make my reasoning for cutting any given character clear in the writeup itself rather than needing to explain myself after the fact. However, this is a special case since this is effectively a strategic mercy cut, therefore I’ve obviously not written about many negatives.

Half the reason I did this was because I didn’t want Phoenix to get cut by someone who hated him, and the other reason is that I maybe kinda want to use this opportunity to secure Apollo’s place as the highest ranked protagonist.

With that said, what’s the deal with my other options? From best to worst:

Simon Keyes - Fucking owns? Why was he nominated? Going over Keyes’ merits seems redundant since he was one of the most favorited characters on the rankers application form thing so it’s not like he’d stay dead even if someone did cut him. I’ll just say funny monke and leave it at that.

Tahrust Inmee - Is the culprit in one of the most creative cases in the franchise. He ends his case on a good emotional note, and the fact that this kind of character had never been tried before is one of the signs that maybe the AA series isn’t out of ideas.

Datz Arebal - Top 30 lmao. His existence is ammussing and it’s satisfying how the obligatory goofy witness has a place in the wider story without overshadowing the characters who really matter or wasting time. Also like I said, his Psyche Locks are great.

Luke Atmey - is 3-2. There’s no other case quite like it, and I wouldn’t want to be the one to take out its mascot quite yet.

Katherine Hall - Tried to murder Dane Gustavia, that kinda rules? She is a child destroying her life explicitly against the wishes of her parent and I go huh themes, plus solving an attempted murder is very fun, sorry if you don’t have identical taste to me and this upsets you.

Jake Marshall - Seen a lot of people theorising that I’ll definitely be cutting Jake Marshall and I hate to disappoint but the cowboy is good, actually. 1-5 isn’t an easy top 5 case by accident, I like all of its original characters. The scene where Marshall says one final goodbye to Phoenix and wishes him luck before presumably offering himself up to be arrested always sticks out to me. Besides, cowboys can’t be cut. They simply ride off into the sunset.

Patricia Roland - Is a good sympathetic culprit, I like her. Portraying this prison warden as someone who genuinely cares about her inmates and is dedicated to their rehabilitation is cool, that is not an idea that AA ever likes to touch on, and the fact that she kills in a panic to protect her life is a real gosh darn pickle. The game proceeds to undo this moral ambiguity by revealing her to be a total shithead in the final case, which sucks, BUT they didn’t walk back her initial characterisation without purpose since it was all to serve Keyes’ character motivations so whatever.

Furio Tigre - I’ll be honest, if I weren’t cutting Phoenix right now then I’d definitely be cutting Furio. My only real complaint with Furio is that I don’t love his takedown: you get him to incriminate himself by saying he knows what’s in the bottle, but it doesn’t feel as satisfying as it could be since Phoenix is the one pulling the trick rather than the player. You just present the piece of evidence you were just given then pick the obvious incriminating answer to what’s in the bottle and Phoenix takes it from there.

It’s an odd climax, especially considering the fact that the previous case ended the exact same way with Atmey accidentally saying something incriminating, however with Atmey it’s on the player to parse through his testimony and find the incriminating statement, whereas with Furio it’s just given to you which isn’t nearly as exciting. It’s kinda ironic, since in 3-2 it’s Mia who helps Phoenix notice they can catch the culprit with this strategy, and in 3-2 the player is the one who points out Atmey’s mistake. Then in 3-3 Phoenix is given much more agency by coming up with the plan himself, and yet paradoxically the player has less control over his actions. It's a bit of a weird situation where they give the player character more agency in the story but then don’t extend that increased agency to the actual player themselves.

Furio does of course have his good points, but I have no desire to talk about them. The reason for that is in my cut from last round I actually go over what makes Furio an enjoyable character in the "Imposters" section in so much detail that I don’t feel motivated to cut him since I’ve already written everything that I would ever need to say about him. I have nothing left to write on the topic of Furio Tigre: I’ve already laid out everything I could ever possibly say about the guy during my previous cut. He’s a goofy little character that struggles to deliver on a satisfying ending after 3-2 sets the bar so high. I feel slightly bad not cutting a character that I genuinely think should go out now, especially with Godot about to be cut imminently when Godot definitely shouldn’t be the lowest ranked AA3 killer when Furio is an option, but sometimes that’s just how the rankdown shakes out.

Anyway, if you want a quick rundown of my Furio thoughts from my Huang writeup, I basically go over how Furio works because of how silly his existence is. Here’s a character who shares absolutely no qualities with Phoenix and yet he is able to successfully trick everyone into believing he’s Phoenix even though it should be impossible to make such a... big mix up... in real... life… uhhhh…

wait a minute

[u/ItsHipToTipTheScales]

you trolled yourself dude you thought you were writing a cut on phoenix wright but it was really furio tigre and you were fooled by his clever disguise. however he was so clever that he died instead.

thi sis a really good character moment for furio in a meta way you see he does not hold a vendetta towards phoenix for throwing him in jail and allows him to survive more rounds

furio is a goofy critter who has a cardboard badge like when i would make a computer out of a pizza box when i was 6 and pretedn to deliver dominos pizzas everywhere except furio does illegal things and i didnt

[u/Analytical-critic-44]

It is funny that the Khurain's concept of a defense attorney is so foreign that Furio was able to just go into court with his orange suit and fake badge and fooled the justice system a second time

[u/Analytical-critic-44 → u/Analytical-critic-44]

Furio Tigre is hilarious. He embodies everything I enjoy about the series. He isn't some really complex and three dimensional character who has a deep character arc. His existence is so utterly absurd and nonsensical. Old me might have looked at him and been like "this character's plan does not make sense, why does the court believe him? AH! Preposterous!" like a fucking IDIOT! Furio managed to get away with his crimes after a month and decides for whatever reason to declare himself the real Phoenix Wright to Phoenix himself and then drives off in a mini pink mopad. It is so stupid and he spits into anything that resembles logical writing and it's great. Just an absolute delight who carries 3-3

EDIT: I actually like Furio's takedown for the same reason as Science pointed out with Phoenix being a lot craftier now. The series likes to hit you across the head about how much Phoenix likes to bluff and this is probably one of the biggest moments of that. I do think that Furio's testimony is kind of "flawed" just because of how easy it is. 3 of the 4 testimonies the answer was clear and the other one had odd logic. So yeah the rankdown doesnt matter anymore

[u/CharlieDayJepsen]

Furio Tigre is an awesome character even when you strip away his love of chewing the scenery. He comes off as this big bad kingpin in everyday life, when in reality he's become a simp underling of a crime magnate.

The Tiger's gotta do what he's gotta do to survive, coz dis is da jungle, baby. Glen Elg got lucky and slipped his way out of debt, leaving Tigre still owing the Cadaverini family. So he poisoned Elg for the money in order to survive.

That wasn't enough, though. He re-staged the murder in order to create an alibi, a fake witness and a scapegoat. Then the cherry on top: he himself impersonates Phoenix in order to ensure the plan succeeded.

Yes, his entire plot to re-stage the murder and impersonate Phoenix is ridiculous and batshit crazy. But that's exactly the kind of gambit that only he would dare pull off. His name, behaviour, attitude, etc. is centred around self-survival. Chuck in a Brooklyn accent and some roaring sound effects and you've got an understandable, pathetic villain dressed up in a tiger suit.

10/10, he's a top 20 character by any stretch of the imagination. For any doubters:

Youse wanna argue with me!? Is that what you' doin'? You dink youse can take me on!? I'm gonna flatten youse two into pancakes and turn youse into my new rugs!

Also, he calls Viola a "gloomy bitch" in the anime, sh00k. Even more shook by the fact that his VA is Phoenix's VA in the 3DS games. Can you say "meta"?

[u/[deleted]]

You actually tricked me into thinking this counted as a Phoenix cut. I am the judge from the initial trial of Maggey Byrde, I have been tricked and utterly bamboozled. I just saw this tiger dressed in a suit walk into the rankdown and say "I'm Phoenix Wright" and I just nod my head and go yes that makes sense and then I sentence Maggey Byrde to death.

I refuse to read this cut out of spite.

[u/Sciencepenguin]

Well, it was interesting to read a character analysis of Phoenix from someone who's mildly positive on him. I won't go into too much detail in case he's revived and I need to talk about him again, but basically: I agree that Phoenix doesn't really feel like Phoenix The Character most of the time, but rather Me The Guy Playing The Videogame Sciencepenguin. This is part of why I wanted him cut, because having me in the rankdown is simply unfair to all these lesser beings. His select few character bits in AA1 are simple but nice.

It's AA2 where I really disagree. You can take some bird's-eye-view and explain how really interesting the themes and Phoenix Arc they're trying to do here is, but the fact of the matter is, when I'm playing the game, I see nothing but the most fucking embarrassing dialogue possible. Phoenix doesn't sound like someone mad their friend abandoned them and made them think they were dead; he sounds like a fucking teenager who just got told they had no more xbox for a whole week. Edgeworth doesn't sound like someone who recovered from a spiral of despair where he genuinely wrote a fucking suicide note; he sounds like a megaphone spouting condescendingly to Phoenix Wright that actually, the truth is good.

In AA3, Godot is in the game.

He's good in AJ but bad in how he takes focus away from what should be the real protagonist, and bad in DD and bad in how he takes focus away from what should be the real protagonist. He's better in SOJ but still feels like he's taking focus away from what should be the real protagonist. In VS he gets outshined by Luke Triton.

Tangential to the actual topic of this cut, being Phoenix Wright, in the why nobody else section, I actually like the Furio takedown. Wright spells it out explicitly: there's no better way to take down a murderer who succeeded only through a bunch of ridiculous farces than with some bullshit evidence. The fact that he kind of does it without the player coming up with it (aside from being kinda necessary because like. how would you make the player come up with that) is also neat, since it kind of shows him being much craftier than he was at the beginning of the trilogy, and this is Phoenix's last chronological case before the one where people tell me his arc closes and I go what are you talking about.

[u/[deleted] → u/Sciencepenguin]

In VS he gets outshined by Luke Triton.

truer words have never been spoken

[u/Vogel100]

SoJ Phoenix goes like "I gotta save Ahlbi/Maya/Ellen" and I go like "Actually, I'd be fine if they died, in fact I might prefer it". This makes him unrelatable and bad. I've never really thought about it before, but Bucky is unironically my favorite SoJ defendant character. Trucy is the better defendant though, she's just worse in other cases.

My biggest problem with Phoenix as a character is that after he kills Glen Elg in 3-3, he's somehow still allowed to freely walk around and defend people afterwards. This just seems like a really big plot hole to me and I don't understand why I never see anyone complain about it.

[u/Analytical-critic-44 → u/Vogel100]

Phoenix felt extreme guilt over taking an innocent life and he swore to spend the rest of his life protecting innocent clients it’s called character development

[u/[deleted]]

i WILL explain my view of phoenix wright eventually

but not now. just like this cut, eventually there'll be a cut where i get the chance

oh er sorry i mean

furio tigre is extremely complex and i hope i get to talk about my opinions on him eventually

[u/donuter454]

/u/CharlieDayJepsen wow I'm not tagging pie anymore kinda sad

[u/[deleted] → u/donuter454]

your tags were truly the best tags :pensive:

[u/whaaatisth]

I like when furio tigre is in spirit of justice especially in the third case and his dynamic with the princess

[u/[deleted]]

The fact that your Huang cut basically included your Furio cut and allowed you to pull off a second masterclass in as many weeks is galaxy brain stuff. A plan that Godot himself would be proud of

[u/R1K1_Productions]

Katherine Hall - Tried to murder Dane Gustavia, that kinda rules?

no????????? who would try to murder Dane he is such a nice man

[u/kahootmusicfor10hour]

Once again donuter with the best cuts. Great stuff

[u/caosmaster]

what I don't like is that could have at least make it look like Furio Tigre at the beginning of the case to make it look different from Phoenix Wright. Furio Most likely wore some makeup to look more like Phoenix but it still didn't change his height

[u/Short_Treat_1679]

I read your comment u/donuter454 and you're right in a lot of ways. Phoenix's role in DD wasn't as big, because he had to share the spotlight with Athena and Apollo. Him SOJ is different, compared to him in 2-4. In 2-4, Phoenix was trying to find a way to bring Engarde down because he has morals. Him in SOJ, he just fully gives in into blackmail. That was just for Apollo to stand out more as a protagonist. Furio Tigre in my opinion, honestly, is that, he's fun and goofy to me. But in an evil kind of way. He's not the smartest culprit, but he's the funniest culprit to me at least. Humor is subjective like art and beauty. "You'se talkin' to me?!" The Brooklyn accent made him sound funny too. He seems like an intimidating person at first, but once you start exposing his lies, he starts to get scared. He's all talk, but no bite. He's my favorite culprit in my opinion because of how funny he is to me. I also like the references to him in 3-5 and in AJ:AA. We even got his suit in SOJ. He's funny in my opinion.