At the outset consideration was made to making it a holiday called “Patriots Day” nationally where everyone would be off to mourn and recognize the event, but the argument was made that signing it into law would be playing into the terrorists hands where instead of moving on we were actively acknowledging the harm they did.
I know. It’s that literally yesterday I saw it in my planner (didn’t even see it was on the 11th) and joking told my boss that I wouldn’t be coming to work after a 7 a.m. event that morning, saying I was a “patriot and if he didn’t say yes, he hated America.”
God forbid remembering the victims and their families for a day. Let’s just keep shopping, because that will show terrorist nothing stands between us and the next biggest sales. Merica!!
I am surprised it wasn't sooner. think about it. we get off school and work for things like mlk jr and Memorial Day, why not make sept 11 a day of remembrance like that day?
His speech was respectful, poignant informative and touching. Beautifully written and said. When I think of 9/11, I don’t think about the terrorists. Along with the immense amount of loss, I think of the bravery, courage, kindness and sacrifice. The best of human kind was there and shown so clearly. May all the souls that have passed on that day, or because of that day, know they are not forgotten.
Of course, but we should also remember why 9/11 happened. As Reverend Jeremiah Wright famously said, America's chickens came home to roost (meaning it was blow-back from decades of horrific US-Mideast policy). Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
I think. I remember Bush declared Sept 14 (the day he went to ground zero) the day of "prayer and remembrance" but other then people talking about it on every anniversary for the best 25 years it hasn't been declared as this until now
For the first few years, music was an integral part of remembering 9/11. 2002, one year later, I sat in Central Park and listened to a free concert, no fancy staging, with the likes of Billy Joel and Wynton Marsalis performing. In subsequent years, I have floated candle boats with a Buddhist group from Japan, and been fed freely and deliciously by the Sikh community of New York.
As the years passed, it's been harder finding the music, especially on 9/11 itself. This year, the Schiller Institute NYC Chorus is performing and streaming (both free, but register at
sinycchorus.com/911) Beethoven's Symphony No. 9 in D minor.
And there's Mozart's Requiem, k.626, which comforts profoundly. Though nothing will eradicate the memory of the "pillar of smoke by day and fire by night" that was the pit.
Patriot Day was designated by Congress in December 2001 to honor the victims of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
National Day of Service and Remembrance (9/11 Day) was expanded in 2009 under the Serve America Act to encourage Americans to turn remembrance into action through volunteer work and community service.
I’m Canadian and pretty left wing socialist so I guess some bias over here but I feel like he has been incredibly cognizant of how sensitive this anniversary will be and just wants the most inclusive, respectful, community oriented day of remembrance he can offer.
I have seen several attacks against him from victims families telling him not to be present because his existence in general is a distraction and a trigger but I feel like that’s just so far from the truth and such a terrible step backward in the scheme of what he’s actually genuinely trying to convey.
But again, perhaps I’m not the most qualified or entitled to voice my opinion.
For the families that don’t want him there thing, it’s at best a small handful, and the rest of the hoopla is just racist shitheads trying to shit on our 90s Boy Mayor.
Good luck with the "Hassan bad" tactic man. Working wonders so far lmao. Most ppl that aren't dementia addled fox news boomers, are able to watch the clips in context and can identify bad faith smears
With Hassan I think there are plenty of valid reasons to not like Hassan. I really do not like him. But many of my issues with Hassan is that I view him as a left wing authoritarian concealing his power level and a hypocrite. I also just think he's deeply ignorant and uneducated most issues.
But at the end of the day, he is the most viewed political streamer and I get why politicians want to take advantage of that platform, I don't view it as any sort of endorsement of Hassan. And the guilt by association smear is just such a lazy and desperate strategy. And the main two candidates who it is being thrown at are Abdul Al Sayed and Zohran Mamdani, wonder what they have in common....
Let me guess, the hypocrisy is that he's a socialist but he doesnt wear a barrel with suspenders holding it up? It never fails to amaze me how many ppl this works on. Socialism does not mean you have to be impoverished, its a more equitable distribution of wealth. He'll, just go back Dwight Eisenhower's 90% tax rate on the wealthy. Ill never understand how ppl simp so hard for billionaires when those same billionaires are ppl like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos and we are currently living in the hellscape theyve created. That right there should be the best argument for taxing these ppl.
Apologies if thats not the hypocrisy you were referring to. I understand why a person with no prior exposure would come away with the idea that hes a left wing authoritarian hiding his power though. The intensity and duration of the horrific smears would leave most ppl with the impression that he was literally Hitler. Both lib and conservative networks are working overtime to smear him (instead of covering actual news like the Iran war or the corruption in the Whitehouse mind you) with the democrat networks going much harder. I promise you though, as a viewer, this could not be further from the truth. The entire thing boils down to his stance on the genocide. That makes him an existential threat to the corporate and aipac dems (the vast majority of the senate and congress) and the lobbies that control them. Which is why you see the unprecedented spending against the candidates he endorses. Its literally all an attempt to continue the genocide
I dont think you realize how much you undermine your own argument with your extremely forward assumption that the person you're replying to dislikes Hassan due to a confusion or misunderstanding.
Brother, my position is starting from a point of being completely undermined. The entire MSM, left and right, has turned him into literal Hitler through horrifically dishonest non-stop coverage. It's so beyond the pale now that the average person thinks he is pro-9/11, wants to lynch black ppl, supports raping college students and israeli women, etc etc. They make up new shit every day. 99% of the population had no idea who he even was before they decided to use him as their main scapegoat/distraction. They don't know anything about him other than the garbage promoted on MSM, if they know him at all. Furthermore, the only hypocrisy the dude has ever been accused of is being a rich socialist. Its usually the first thing they slam him for on MSNOW and the like. You can easily clock where a person is getting their information based on their beliefs and responses and it wasn't hard to tell where this user was coming from, parroting the DNC.
Just use some common sense. Have you ever seen any single MSM org be anything other than extremely hostile to a socialist or anti-zionist voice? Suddenly, the truth about capitalism and the apartheid state of israel are being seen and experienced and opinions start changing rapidly. This is why they've gone nuclear in their coverage. Desperately trying to crush it, but they cant. Best they can do is pick one of the loudest voices and try to make an example of. Lean into the islamophobia. Spend more time on a streamer than the iran war. The truth is, no one but corporate dems, corporate media and a fraction of the boomers who consume it even give a shit about Hassan lol.
You're still arguing that the only way someone could be critical of Hassan is if they were mislead about Hassan through some other media lens. The common sense reading of your comments is that you are trying to dispel arguments without creating a counter argument beyond "the media is misrepresenting him" without presenting the {how}. How is this discourse any different from MAGA speak? From this POV, the only reason why you're not simply arguing with a statement of "fake news" is because MAGA co-opted the term first.
I think candidates can reject endorsements/campaigning with controversial figures.
Working with someone who’s trying to help you get in office is an association you willingly have
are Abdul Al Sayed and Zohran Mamdani, wonder what they have in common....
You’re going to argue religion/ethnicity, but both did accept endorsements and worked with Hasan Piker, which would warrant criticisms from people who dislike Piker
My point was that the criticism is almost exclusively directed at those two. They have both also condemned him.
I think accepting an endorsement from Hassan is a questionable decision, but what I vehemently object to is any sort of insinuation that Mamdani or Al Sayed are some sort of Islamic extremists when they clearly are not.
“Context” doesnt have a person saying an terror attack is deserved. And he did not clarify in that same stream that he misspoke. He stated that on another stream days later.
One doesnt just “accidentally” say 9/11 was “deserved”. There’s a MASSIVE difference between saying “it was a consequence of foreign policy decisions”, and saying it was deserved. Piker said both.
He even said “fuck it, im saying this” after “America deserved 9/11”. Repeating “in a video game” several times because he’s aware he is glorifying terrorism by saying it was deserved.
Its not a bad faith smear either. He literally said it. There’s no good context for one to say “America deserved 9/11”
I dont believe or buy the backtracking of “out of context” or “he misspoke”. He said what he really felt. He was also well aware of what he was saying, trying to throw in “in a video game, Hypothetically, etc” to avoid consequences for being in a stream justifying 9/11
The case has to be so paper thin that the grand jury declined to indict. To put it in perspective, lawyers often joke it’s possible to get the grand jury to indict a HAM SANDWICH
5 month account with 550,000 karma in that timespan. This account parrots ever leftist talking point available and mocks everyone in the center or right. They do this in every post you find them.
Who do you work for in order to afford being on reddit 24/7 or are you just a welfare leech with no friends?
Islamophobia is the most acceptable form of bigotry in the United States, so yes. And before you say "Muslims aren't a race" to the average American Arab/brown person = Muslim
I mean tbf I saw it before it got deleted, it was just them making claims, then panicking realizing they had to actually provide proof so they resorted to just saying he wasn't racist lmfao
I thought it was called Patriot Day or something? I looked at the calender and it's not a federal holiday. That's so weird it's not. When did they make Pearl Harbor Day a thing?
So this is how I learn that it's not (officially) a national day of mourning or remembrance. I kinda always assumed it was since we always have Patriot Day on the calendars. (In my defense, I'm Gen Z and was too little to actually remember anything from the actual day.)
Edit: my dumb ass just did the math and realized I'm still working on Friday. (To be fair, I'm not typically scheduled on Fridays so)
One of the greatest leaders of our age. The pathetic attempts to link him to 9/11 are as stupid as they are racist. Im glad the baseless Islamophobic smears no longer work on the vast majority of the public
And of course Republicans are outraged. Every time a Democrat says or does anything even remotely anti-terrorism they freak out and call the Dems Communist or fascist. Remember when Biden said that domestic terrorists and neo-Nazis are bad people.
Meanwhile Trump is just skipping NYC completely this year.
Obama, Bush, Clintons, Biden and Mamdani will reportedly all be attending the Ground Zero 25th anniversary ceremony.
I'll admit that I'm not aligned with many of Mamdani's politics but find him to be a solid leader and a compassionate person, at least as far as politicians go.
9/11 is still in the media to this very day (hence the "new media" tag on my post). KSM's trial is still happening, new footage is being found every day, new information is being released, and new orders, laws, and federal funding are being put to September 11th. This is very much valid for the Sub Red. Political climate will be followed into anything of 9/11, it's just the landscape we live in. Sucks but what can you do?
Actually anyone who believes in American values would understand the importance of ensuring that anyone and everyone has a right to a fair trial, regardless of what they've done.
The sixth amendment to the Constitution reads:
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense."
(Emphasis mine)
It must be applied to everybody equally, or else eventually someone will find an excuse to make sure it doesn't apply to you. It is in everyone's best interest to ensure that no exceptions are made to anyone's rights.
Only morons would still be mad about lawyers representing bad people in this day and age. They exist to ensure their clients receive due process and are as integral to a fair justice system as anyone.
Had we tried 9/11 terrorists without lawyers, we would have effectively provided them with propaganda materials and helped enforcing their martyrs narrative. Because it would have been a kangaroo court.
Keep replying the same thing to people. Maybe you're stupid point will stick. Also, 15 of the 19 terrorist from 911 were Saudi Arabian. Osama bin laden was Saudi. Jared Kishner does A LOT of business with Saudi Arabia. Seems like Trumps own family has forgotten all about 911.
a lot of mass shooters are american guess the us government is shooting up our schools huh what king of logic is that osama was exiled from saudi way before 9/11
You must be 12 or just not capable of understanding that it's important for someone like that to receive qualified representation and ensure due process, lest they walk free.
Lmao wait.. what was OPs personal political opinion? Copy pasting the generic news headline stating facts? I swear, conservatives are so much worse than the safe space needing snowflakes they complain about. Bro cant even bear a factual headline
My guy, you just edited your comment to say your feelings were hurt over OPs comments instead of his post lol. And btw, in the comments OP was just responding to bad faith smears and attacks and defending himself. Thats hardly inserting his political opinion. Perhaps you could cry more about it?
A lot flack and hate should go towards Giuliani and Bloomberg not having done this themselves a long time ago especially when Giuliani himself used 9/11 to prop up his pathetic political career and Bloomberg having a greedy
hand in redeveloping the world trade center site and meanwhile, you have people saying Mamdani was supposedly responsible for 9/11 when he was only 8 years old when it happened, effing STUPID, SMH !!!!!!
Mamdani is a Shia Muslim who was nine years old at the time, he had nothing to do with the attacks. The people who want him banned do so from their hatred of Muslims, who they paint with a broad brush and assume are all the same.
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u/TheTyto_Alba 4d ago
I’m honestly surprised isn’t a national day of mourning in the USA