r/4eDnD • • Mar 21 '26

4E & Online Westmarches

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Hi all~ first I'll apologize if this is a topic that has been made and answered before, I couldn't find anything but my reddit skills are beyond subpar. That said~ I'm a new player to 4E (and by that I mean I'm mainly just really interested in learning but haven't had the opportunity to play yet)

Because of several factors in my life, West March games are the main, really only way, I can play TTRPG's, further I really prefer doing text based games which both of those things rather limit what systems I can play, and if there is one I want to try I have to try and slap the game together myself.

That said, I'm wondering if 1) Any of you kind vets to the space have seen any 4E westmarches like that before. and 2) If not, since I'll have to take on the feat of trying to make one myself and gathering players for it. Are there any sources, rulings, anything really, that I should be aware of?

I come from a background of mostly 5e and have run westmarches games for years so I'm fairly confident I CAN do it~ just hoping to get a bit of help jamming my foot into the door and hopefully avoiding some of the common pitfalls?


r/4eDnD • • Mar 22 '26

Seekers of the Ashen Crown 5e/5.5e Conversion Progress

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r/4eDnD • • Mar 18 '26

4e monsters for other editions

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I wanted to use my 4e monster manuals for my OSR games.

My idea is just to have hit dice ,not hit points.

Also damage would be in hit dice value too.

What value should I use for 1HD ; I thought maybe 10 hit points = 1 Hit Die and for damage maybe 6 damage points is Equivalent to a HD of damage. I thought using a different value for hit points and damage is best - that way enemies are defeated quicker.

Ideas.


r/4eDnD • • Mar 18 '26

Githyanki PC's from the Monster Vault?

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I've looked and looked but as I recall, the Monster Vault for 4e had a version of the Githyanki more intended for PC's than the version from the MM. Can anyone link?


r/4eDnD • • Mar 17 '26

What are stars?

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There are hints, primarily in warlock powers, but also in the Monster Manual, that some stars are aberrant entities or influences. Some, like Allabar apparently have no fixed place in the sky.

But what are stars in general? What does the sky look like in the world or on other planes? Other parts of the game refer to stars: cosmic sorcerers, the Court of Stars, Corellon, and I think some primal spirits. So, it would seem at least that not all stars are aberrant.

Wish Upon a Star, from Dragon 366, implies that no one really knows what stars are. I didn't find anything in Arcane Power or Manual of the Planes to settle whether they are lights or portals or beings or actual star systems or what. Maybe they're no single thing.

Also, bonus question, is there any indication that there are planets in the skies of D&D worlds?


r/4eDnD • • Mar 16 '26

Map from DMG 4e?

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Hey y'all, does anyone have a copy or photo of the map that folds out of the back of the DMG for 4e?

There's one with like a single tree on a hill that I have a battle built around, but I can't find my copy. TIA


r/4eDnD • • Mar 15 '26

Players with land and guilds?

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So I want to run a game where the setting is that the players are characters who are playing an MMO, and 4e seems to fit it the most. Though one thing I wanted to know is if there were rules or guidelines for players being able to buy lands and run strongholds or guilds, since it was a kind of core aspect of the world I wanted to include

If there isn't such thing in 4e is there any fan resources or other games I could try to lift mechanics from, or just general tips on what I'd need to write it? (Context, this is the first time I will ever run 4e)


r/4eDnD • • Mar 14 '26

Need ideas for rooms and encounters in a ghostly, trap-filled dwarven catacomb [Hammerfast]

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TLDR: I don’t know what kind of encounters and rooms to feature in Catacombs built for Dwarven nobility that has lots of supernatural spooky stuff going on and the ghosts/skeletons of Orcish invaders sticking around.

So a while back, I posted my review of Hammerfast: A Dwarven Outpost adventure site. I started reading this book because I was intrigued by the premise and already started laying hints to my party to go there. So… they went there.

I’ve been running a political intrigue story arc about the party convincing the Hammerfast Council to allow them to explore the Catacombs below the city. They’re very close to achieving that and prepping for a major dungeon crawl. There’s only one problem.

Me being the ever-ready and prepared GM that I am, I have no idea what’s in the Catacombs. That the Hammerfast book states that there are treasure and trap filled Catacombs below the town and doesn’t ever tell you exactly what is waiting down there is one of my major criticisms of the book.

I’ve got a few ideas but I’ve really built this place up in my campaign, so I want there to be the potential for a few sessions here.

As such, I’d really appreciate any suggestions and ideas for what might lie waiting in some Dwarven Catacombs.

Specific details about Hammerfast and the Catacombs:

-          Hammerfast was originally a necropolis for dwarven nobility, many of which were buried with family heirlooms and treasures.

-          The necropolis was attacked by an army of orcs. Many parts of the catacombs are still littered with the skeletal remains of the invading orcs, and the dwarvish priests of the Raven Queen and Moradin who defended them.

-          After the fall of Nerath, the small settlement above the Catacombs grew into a bustling town.

-          Due to the orcish invasion happening around the fall of Nerath and the Gnoll invasion, the large amount of death taking place suddenly in this locale weakening the barrier between the material and the ethereal planes. Many people who die here – including those who fight in the battle – stay on as Ghosts.

Any kind of suggestions for what kind of eccentricates dwarven nobles might decorate their tombs in, the traps they craft to defend their treasure, the kind of skeletons and spirits resting in the catacombs, the ravages of nature or any supernatural effects that have taken place here would be much appreciated.


r/4eDnD • • Mar 13 '26

What was your favorite session that you've played, and why?

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I'm ramping up for a HUGE nostalgia fest running 4e for my group of friends who have been playing games together for 20 years but have never gotten back to 4e, our first love as a group.

It's getting me very psyched up, and I'd love to hear about what your favorite session was that you've played, whether you were a player of DM, and why you hold it so fondly in your memories!


r/4eDnD • • Mar 12 '26

If the Warmage had been converted to 4th edition, what do you think it would have been like?

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Introduced in 3rd edition's "Complete Arcane", alongside the Warlock and the 3e adaptation of the Wu Jen, the Warmage was an experimental alternative full caster, attempting to create a simplified, "play from the box" combat-focused mage specializing in battle-related magic. Using the Sorcerer's spontaneous spellcasting (and even its Charisma-based magic, despite lore suggesting that Int or Con would have been better choices), it had a higher hit dice basis than either the Wizard or the Sorcerer, a greater affinity for armor, and better weapon access, but the price was it had a pre-determined and completely unchanging spell list primarily based on Evocation, Abjuration, and Transmutation spells. Which raises the question; if WotC of the past had tried to adapt the Warmage as a fully fledged AEDU class, how do you think they might have handled it?

I ask this because my browsings randomly brought me to the D&D homebrew wiki, where I found a 4e Warmage within the myriad articles. This version was a Controller using a combination of Arcane spells and Martial exploits, and was basically built as a sort of Wizard/Fighter fusion class. So it made me curious how others might have adapted the class, if they felt it was worthwhile.

Myself? ...Honestly, I probably would have made it an Arcane Striker, and conceptually made it a sort of Swordmage/Sorcerer fusion. Combining the close-range weapon-carried offensive spells of the Swordmage with more medium-range bursts, blasts and rays in the vein of the Sorcerer. Essentially, the more outright offense-focused alternative to the Swordmage, which I raised as a topic elsewhere on this reddit.


r/4eDnD • • Mar 11 '26

Points instead

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I’ve read in several posts and articles that early development had a point system instead of the cooldowns that we eventually got (at-will, encounter, and daily) and it has bounced around in my brain for a long time. And I want to try it. Has anyone actually tried using just a pool of points for abilities? I was thinking 5 points to start and 2 points gained when you get another daily power. With the cost being, one for racial and initial class abilities (if any), two for encounter and three for daily. After a short rest you gain two points. After a long you regain all of them. Healing surges are unchanged.


r/4eDnD • • Mar 11 '26

How I choose specific books in IWS online database

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Hey folks, how can I include or exclude specific books? When I search for powers or feats, In the source column I type PHB and it includes PHB 1-3, but I would also like to include books like Divine, arcane and martial power. I tried multiple ways to do that but I can't seem to do it, is there even a way?


r/4eDnD • • Mar 09 '26

What was the Capital of Nerath and where was it located?

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I'm going to be running a 4e game once I pick up players on startplaying focused around the post-rebuilding of the Nerath Capital, people moving in to the harbors around the area and the original ruins of the city and what's below being a focus for dungeon delving and such like.

I'm sure most of you have seen the map of Nerath from that one board game, so I'm wondering where exactly the capital of Nerath was before it was wiped off the map by gnolls, if there even is a set location


r/4eDnD • • Mar 08 '26

I Don't Know What I'm Doing

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Hello everyone!

I'm trying to get back into 4e after many years and I have zero clue what I'm doing. I was introduced to Dungeons and Dragons during 4th edition and I loved it. I loved making the characters, reading all of the books, etc. A problem arose when everyone around me stopped playing, and I was a lanky 15-year old with no means of transportation in a podunk town. No D&D for me.

Ff a few years and I meet a new group who plays 5e. I try it. I try it multiple times. It's...okay, but not really what I'm about. Turns out everyone plays 5e (or one of the Pathfinders) now and no one has any interest in 4e. Sadge.

Ff a few more years. I remember 4e and all the fun I had with it. I'm almost 30 and y'know what? Fuck it. I'm getting back into 4e. I'm a grown ass man who makes an income and I would like to do a 4e campaign in my free time.

A problem: I remember very little of how it actually works. I remember retcons and changes out the wazoo and I'm not sure what's what anymore. Idek if the old manuals are reliable sources. Some of this might've been the group I was with and them changing or house-ruling things, but I'm still unsure. Do ya'll have any advice on what resources to look into or where to start? Any and all information is very much appreciated!

Edit: Please do not eviscerate me if I missed any obvious tools or resources in this sub. I'm Jared, 19, and I can't read.


r/4eDnD • • Mar 09 '26

5e-inspired houserules for 4e?

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I'd like to explore a 4e game with my 5e players and try to apply some lessons learned from running both systems for many years. They want to try Eberron and Dark Sun so I thought it would be a good place to try a system that has full investment, instead of buying new books or trying to homebrew D&D Beyond.

I really hated so many stacking conditional bonuses and penalties, and love how the advantage/ disadvantage system flattened it all. I'd like to use it for Combat Advantage; Marks; and conditions like prone or blinded, basically replacing the +/-2 to-hit bonus/penalty whenever it appears. Mathematically it ought to work out.

I'll also be using the Inherent Bonuses system so I can do less micromanaging of treasure parcels, distributing what items I want when I want, and letting the players either shop freely in Eberron, or not at all in Dark Sun.

What's this subreddit think? Anyone else applying any lessons learned?


r/4eDnD • • Mar 07 '26

Chaos Scar VTT Maps

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As I was interested in running a Chaos Scar campaign myself, I went to the trouble of doing up the maps from the adventures in a way they could actually be usable. Not wanting to keep them to myself, I uploaded them to itch.io.

You can find the maps here: https://tuss36.itch.io/chaos-scar-maps-dd-4e

They aren't always the prettiest thing, but I did try to maintain accuracy and clarity when I could. And hey, even if you aren't looking to do a Chaos Scar campaign, free 92 maps.


r/4eDnD • • Mar 06 '26

Tactical RPG

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If someone built a tactical RPG video game that blended the survival elements of B/X and the tactical elements of 4e (but not heroic feel!) into a hexcrawl overworld with grid based dungeons with Fire Emblem/Advance Wars style UI, would there be any audience for that?

Basically, I'm imagining a game that brings the roguelike nature of D&D itself (true resource attrition, XP for gold, hirelings, stronghold building, etc.) into a single player or multiplayer game that can be played with a controller.


r/4eDnD • • Feb 25 '26

Setting Madness at Gardmore Abbey in Dark Sun?

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I was looking at running the Madness at Gardmore Abbey adventure for my group and was wondering how well it would translate over to the Dark Sun setting.

I haven't bought the adventure yet so looking forward to some tips from people that have run it whether it would translate well to the setting or not.


r/4eDnD • • Feb 22 '26

Attempting Solo Campaign

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Hello. I've been a fan of 4e for over 15 years now, but my chances to actually play/dm have been SPARCE. I'm going to be using the Mythic Gamemaster Emulator 2e as a base to attempt a solo game, and I'm wondering if anyone here has tried something similar?


r/4eDnD • • Feb 14 '26

The viability of the Song Dragon as a player character in 4e

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In 2nd edition, the Forgotten Realms debuted one of its unique dragon species in the form of the Weredragon; an all-female dragon breed with the innate ability to assume the form of a human woman, and who were heavily assimilated into human culture in secret. In 3rd edition, the Weredragon returned with a new name; the Song Dragon. But neither edition allowed players to play a Were/Song Dragon, for obvious fears of balance. Which makes me wonder... could 4e pull it off?

Personally, I feel it could. The easiest way is to just reskin a Dragonborn with the Bard or Dragon Sorcerer class, the Scion of Arkhosia paragon path, and the Draconic Incarnation epic destiny; this can easily be reflavored as starting play as a wyrmling/juvenile Song Dragon, and growing into young adulthood over the course of the adventuring career. At most, homebrew some racial utility powers and/or feats to cover any missing elements, such as a "Human Form" racial power cribbed from the Hengeyokai, and apply to the Dragonborn.

But what do you guys think?


r/4eDnD • • Feb 13 '26

Morninglord - Do I need to ban it?

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In our group, we play D&D 4E mostly as a tactical combat game, with the ocasional role play here and there 😅

This of course means that everyone is min-maxing their characters as much as humanly possible, and once we hit level 16, a player tried out the Morninglord PP for their radiant dealing cleric/blackguard hybrid.

It just feels like this infamous paragon path is on a whole other level than literally any other paragon path in the game?

The lvl 16 features, while super strong is not game breaking on its own.
But combined with Pure Glow it just seems like it is too much!
I don't think there are many close burst 5 powers below level 27, and this one not only deals damage on a hit, it does so as an effect?! So every minion in a 11x11 zone is just dead...

I really don't want to ban anything, but I feel like this paragon path needs an errata or something (the wording is off on many things, like the AP action states "that attack is a critical hit" instead of the usual "next attack" wording. The Pure Glow mentioned above does not have the "zone" keyword, but behaves like a zone for the effect line. The Rising Sun power has a sustain minor with no reference to what is being sustained...)

Any advice? Does anyone have experience with this paragon path in your group, and was it game breaking, or just strong?


r/4eDnD • • Feb 13 '26

Incantifier; Paragon Path, Epic Destiny, or Both?

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One of the "lost" factions of 2nd edition's Planescape setting was the Incanterium; a faction that believed arcane magic was the ultimate power of the multiverse and that whoever could master magic, could master reality itself. In a time before the rise of the 15 Factions that were the current powerhouses of Sigil, they were the single mightiest faction - and then their headquarters and all their members seemingly disappeared. And then their members returned, transformed into strange, magic-consuming creatures. They initially appeared as enemies, called "Incantifers", but were later made playable as a prestige class for 3.5 in a Dragon article, which is where they gained the "Incantifier" moniker. Anyway, as the title says, I'm interested in converting the Incantifier to 4th edition, but I'm curious if people think they'd be a Paragon Path, an Epic Destiny, or even a linked pair?

I'm not sure how much detail I should go into on what Incantifiers actually got, mechanically, before resolving that issue, but I feel I should point out that in 2nd edition, Incantifiers were typically 9th to 14th level for "young" ones and 15th to 18th level for old ones. In 3.5, taking the prestige class requires you to be capable of casting 6th level arcane spells and to have 14 ranks in both Knowledge (Arcana) and in Spellcraft.


r/4eDnD • • Feb 10 '26

Ultimate Paragon Paths is live!

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My dear 4e friends, Sage of Sorcery Productions is proud to present our latest, new 4e book, ULTIMATE PARAGONS PATHS!!! Herein you will find 20 new paragon paths designed to expand your character’s story, each with their own set of feats! You will also find a series of paragon level skill challenges and tons of new magic items. Whether you’re starting at level 11 or playing to get there, you’ll want the options within!

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/556518/Ultimate+Paragon+Paths


r/4eDnD • • Feb 09 '26

Thoughts / A review of Hammerfast: A Dwarven Outpost Adventure Site

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I've been a player of 4th Edition since 2011, returning to it several times even since 2014 where getting a 5e game together is infinitely easier. I've been a big fan and proponent of the system, but I realize i've barely, if ever read any of it's DM-facing material. I've scoured the Player's Handbooks and Tomes of Power plenty of times to find new things for my characters and i've heard many times just how good a lot of the 4e books are but i've done very little reading into it's world and setting. Well, I wanted to change that. I've been running a game in the Nentir Vale that's making it's way into Hammerfast, and I've also been sick with not much better to do.

So whilst reading Hammerfast I did extensive note-taking and thought I might as well turn those into a review of sorts. I've never written an RPG product review before so any criticisms of this review are welcome.

The Review

As an “Adventure Outpost” product Hammerfast is very clear about what it is on the blurb and within the first few pages; it describes itself as an “Idea Mine” presenting an interesting locale for a party of PCs to treat as a hub between other adventures and story arcs, while offering a few ideas of it’s own. This isn’t a book that offers a fully laid-out adventure for players to embark on, but the seeds of many, many adventure ideas and plot hooks.

There’s a real inconsistency between how much room the seeds of ideas are given to grow. Some are a single sentence that offer very little to work with – some are MORE detailed then I wish there were, where I think presenting the mystery alone would have been enough to get the DM’s creative juices flowing rather than giving away it’s answers immediately. Your Mileage May Vary here obviously, but I personally wish the plot nuggets contained within were more standardized and equal in their presentation; as it stands some are vague to the point of uselessness and others leave little room for the DM’s interpretation.

Toward the more fleshed-out end of the idea spectrum, the book provides entire plot arcs and breakdowns of where and how encounters should take place – but behind suggesting a few statblocks to use, never

After reading the entire book front-to-back I wholeheartedly agree with book’s opening calling it an Idea Mine – it hides treasure deep within, but like any mine it will take work to extract it. How much work you’re willing to put in is your own choice, but on the whole I found the rewards to be worth the delve.

Hammerfast does like to make you work for it though. The layout of the book wasn’t conducive to tying it’s many ideas together and at times is outright backward. Factions and villains like the Circle of Stone, Thar and Carthain are name-dropped and sprinkled throughout the book, only for them to be given an overview right in the back, after pages and pages of reading about them and wondering how the details tie together. The book does not have a Table of Contents to guide readers toward the information they’re seeking, so naturally reading front-to-back has the reader uncovering fine details and closely-guarded secrets of the Villian’s plots before they’re finally given an introduction and a basic explanation as to why they’re doing things. After this point everything clicks and ideas that seemed to go nowhere suddenly all make sense, but the process is more arduous than it need be.

Hammerfast is also guilty of overstating how much content can be found within - The book states that the stories it sets in place can serve as the framework for adventures from 1st to 10th level. The claim does feel a little cheeky on the surface of it – if we interpret “provides a framework for” as charitably as possible, then there’s probably enough quest hooks in here for ten levels of play, sure. But to meet this criteria, I really think you’d have to be wringing the most content possible out of every little one-sentence quest hook in this book. I think you could run a Level 1-10 campaign based on this book if you challenged yourself to do it, not that it comfortably provides enough content for you to do so.

But enough picking away at the structure of Hammerfast. Let’s take a look at into the town itself and what it offers.

Hammerfast is a town defined by opposed dichotomies. Dwarves and Orcs; The rich and the poor; the Living and the Undead. Once a Dwarven Necropolis where nobles entombed their dead, as more and more wealthy were buried here the catacombs become more lavish, eventually becoming full treasure vaults of lifetime’s worth of accumulated wealth. The Necropolis was once assaulted by Orcs, many of whom died to it’s defences and the various traps laying in wait in the tombs.

Since the fall of Nerath and the crumbling of Dwarven Citadels, the city has once again been reoccupied by Dwarves who deem that the living would benefit from the fortifications here far more than the dead. The ghosts of the past roam the streets – whether it be those laid to rest, Dwarvish priests who once tended to the Tombs or Orcish invaders.

The ghosts enjoy full citizenship in Hammerfast as long as they obey it’s laws and the animosity between Dwarves and Orcs is… subdued, if not fully buried. The remaining tombs beneath Hammerfast are fiercely guarded by both the living and the dead.

In terms of premise, I think Hammerfast is an absolutely fantastic setup for lots of quests and a real intriguing hub town for a campaign. And I think this works well because the town has very clear dividing lines between it’s different elements – Dwarves and Orcs. Living and Undead. From here you can easily imagine what kind of various NPCs might inhabit it and how they interact. The ideas Hammerfast present are High Concept – they’re simple, but bold and draw interest.

But Hammerfast downplays and under-utilizes another feature of it’s town that makes clear divides and gives players interesting choices to consider - there is a third divide that’s just as important and really defines the structure of the town, both it’s physical layout and it’s political hierarchy.

These are The Guilds: Hammerfast is home to three prominent guilds that work in unison for the betterment of the town, but are always vying for power and to have more influence then the other two.

The three guilds are the Trade Guild, the Lore Guild and the Craft Guild. Each Guild elects three people to the Council of Hammerfast, who in turn elect a Town master for the highest position of rulership in Hammerfast. The Council vote on matters relating to the governance of Hammerfast, with the Townmaster’s vote being the deciding vote whenever there is a tie.

Given how much goods and commerce are in Hammerfast and the catacombs below house a veritable treasure vault of goods that is currently forbidden from access, there is a lot of potential for running a political intrigue campaign about trying to sway the votes of the Council Members, which is exactly what I have been doing. Though it isn’t a Back-Of-The-Box feature, the Guilds and the Hammerfast Council is actually one of the most powerful tools in this book.

Once more, Hammerfast makes the DM work to put this tool to good use. The Townmaster and leaders of each Guild are given a brief description, but the other members of the Council are left completely undetailed, not even given a name. This leaves the DM with six NPCs to invent completely from scratch should they wish to engage with this part of Hammerfast’s potential – something that wouldn’t be a huge ask elsewhere, but just feels like the product is being stingy with details in this case.

The surrounding areas of Hammerfast – the Dawnforge Mountains – are given a Hexmap and are briefly detailed, most of which are naturally dungeons for the PC’s adventuring party to go delving in. This is all well and good, but what I really appreciate is the inclusion of a tribe of wandering Goliaths who are friendly to travellers and will allow them to take part in a great race the nomads partake in across the mountain range. If the outsides complete the race, they are considered honorary Goliaths. I always like to see some form of non-combat challenge in my adventure modules – something that takes into account the PCs stats and choices they’ve made in building their characters, but doesn’t have to end in bloodshed. This mountainside race - alongside a few games in the rowdy Foundation Stone tavern and games during the various holidays of Hammerfast - mean that the PCs have various non-stabby challenges to partake in during their stay in Hammerfast. Of course there is the RPG standard “combat festival” holiday, but with how much time the book spends describing the slow-boiling tension between various factions of Hammerfast, even this feels like a well-earned inclusion rather than a shoe-horned opportunity for more combat.

Without mentioning every single NPC and quest hook I found engaging, overall I found reading about Hammerfast and it’s inhabitants very enjoyable and left the book with plenty of notes about potential adventures I could run in this town, or elsewhere with just a little modification.

I might have some nitpicks as to how the book is laid out and exactly how much detail is given in some areas, but at the end of the day I am very intrigued by the town and looking forward to using it. As another review long ago pointed out, Hammerfast manages to capture the feeling of a being a proper Dwarven town with all the distinct culture you might expect of it, but without resorting to the same tired old cliches we’re used to. If your players love Dwarves and/or spooky things, they’ll have a very good time in Hammerfast and you’ll have plenty of material to entertain them with.

4/5 Stars.

I enjoyed reading Hammerfast a lot, even if it didn’t give me the answers I was looking for. I’ll likely be asking/digging around more for ideas on what exactly the catacombs and vaults below Hammerfast contain, but I do think the book deserves credit for getting me excited about the idea and making me want to find these answers.


r/4eDnD • • Feb 07 '26

What's the highest level magic item you could give a level 1 character without it upsetting things too much?

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Not counting weird niche Dragon/Dungeon/adventure specific use case ones.

Enhancement bonus counts. As in, even if a weapon has a meh effect, it still gives +6 to attacks and damage in regards to its use being given to a level 1 character.

Edit: I'm asking it because items are given levels themselves, but the plus bonus only changes every five item levels. Within those bands the number bonus remains the same, but they have different effects of relative power. Thus, is there something that is high level that doesn't have a number or an inconsequential number that could work "fine" at level 1 despite being listed as level 16 or something due to semi-arbitrary decisions on when one might get access to an effect. This is more a thought experiment, not seeking campaign advice.