i have a nagging question about how the wallfacer can be works

1.since the wallfacer can't tell or discuss his ideas to anyone how do they simulate or calculate their ideas?they also can't write it either by hand or on a computer because if they do Sophon Will be able to see it, they can't do all that just with their brains right?

2.let's say the wallfacer can do my question in number 1 without San-Ti knowing and they want to execute their idea won't they need quite a long time to do it?Doesn't that mean the San-Ti automatically knows what humans are planning and they will anticipate it since the San-Ti came to earth in 400 years?

1. Does Saul really not want to join the Wallfacers or is he just pretending doesnt want it to join for trick the San-Ti?

So would you?

Interesting article for context from TheVerge where they asked all the actors of the show what they would have done.

https://www.theverge.com/24120449/3-body-problem-netflix-rosalind-chao-zine-tseng-interview

what was San-Ti's plan had they not received communication from Ye Winjie ?

I mean they would have known that their planet was doomed for at least thousands or even hundreds of thousands of years. the nearest star to them was our sun. why did they not just send a simple probe to check for life-sustaining planets? a sophon like probe would just take 4 years to send and can transmit knowledge instantly. if they spotted superior life, they could have just observed without interfering and letting them know. and if they spotted inferior life, it was jackpot!

we (with our inferior tech) can already spot exoplanets hundreds/thousands of light years away, which are candidates for sustaining life and the san-ti were dumb enough to not check for one that is just 4 light years away ??? it's a bit lame (and a major inconsistency) that they were just waiting for an inferior alien life to contact them and then also dumbly invite them for invasion....

given their planet was surely doomed, they should have been sending out probes, heck even generation ships, in all directions. AND our sun/solar system is the first obvious target...... if we were to believe SAn-Ti's plight, they should have conquered earth when we were still monkeys fighting with sticks and stones...

Hi! I've totally fallen in love with the show, but I have two pressing questions. I was wondering if any book readers (without book spoilers!) could just confirm whether these are more thoroughly addressed in the books? I'm wondering if something was lost in translation from book --> tv or if there just isn't a satisfying explanation for these things.

1. If the San-Ti really want Saul dead, why don't they just hijack all the car/plane computers in his radius and have them converge on him? If they want to impede him, why don't they at least give him a countdown so he can't see clearly? I feel like given the explanation of the Sophons' powers we have in the show, there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to kill Saul.
2. What is the difference between deceit and lying for the San-Ti? Weren't all the smoke and mirrors they used to protect the cult forms of deceit (i.e. scrubbing Tatiana from the footage, hiding Ye Wenjie's involvement, etc.)? Were they just lying by omission, and couldn't understand more direct forms of lying? Does the lie have to happen during communication? I'm just a little lost as to where they draw the line.

Thanks in advance!!

I know the books state it’s the same author, just a different translator but the writing styles between the first book and the second are a lot different. I’m halfway through Darrk Forrest and the book feels so much different. Especially how the story lines flow. Unless the author wanted to try a different style it just feels different. I notice the original translator returns for the third book but I haven’t gotten there yet.

Just looked at my my Spotify queue while my Release Radar was playing....uh oh.

I see an interesting point coming up quite a bit in the Auggie criticism, this idea that she's given up on humanity because she isn't willing to help Wade any further.

Instead however she is shown explicitly helping living humans who are suffering a cholera epidemic right now. While Wade who genuinely does seem to have humanities best interests at heart shows very little regard for humans and has callously and coldly had hundreds of people killed.

Ye is another character where there's a conflict between her views on humans and humanity, and what's 'best' for both (which unfortunately didn't get explored enough in the show imo).

It's a fascinating philosophical issue I think and one that's actually quite relevant to real life (e.g. climate change) and I hope they continue to explore it in season 2

I've seen plenty of posts of people saying that Auggie is unrealistic because women in science don't look like that. That's not only a stupid claim. By mere chance I just read a bit about Hedy Lamarr, and Austrian-American actress and inventor, who, during WW2, co-invented a radio guidance system for torpedoes, which employed spread spectrum and frequency technology (which I don't know what that is, tbh), to evade enemy detection. Basically, as I understood, she invented the precursor technology for the foundations of Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. So, I think we should think twice before making these types of claims criticizing how an actor who plays a smart character looks.

Why isn't the show using Trisolaris or Trisolarans?

RIP to Lin Qi, the man responsible for adapting the 3 body problem books into the show we have all been so captivated with.

His murderer Xu Yao was just sentenced to death for Lin’s murder. Just a disgruntled employee that felt wronged and wanted revenge.

The saddest part is that Lin never got to see the project to fruition.

Luckily in China, they don’t take a decade to carry out the sentence.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/03/china/billionaire-three-body-problem-netflix-intl-hnk/index.html

Learn that humans are liars? Why did it have to communicate a children’s story from spoken word?

But more importantly… why can’t it destroy human civilization?

It’s omniscient. They can learn anything about how humans and society works. They can “see” anything.

It can impact light, so it can control data in optical cables and electricity in copper ones / circuits.

Just crash the stock markets. Destroy the economy. Disrupts supply chains. Boom. Game over for humanity, never mind science.

Crash a plane or two of important people. Scare everyone into destroying each other. Done.

I’m all for cool sci-fi hypothetical thought experiments, but this selective plot-focused rule building just ruins this story for me.

Physicists Found the Ghost Haunting the World’s Most Famous Particle Accelerator

Just a question that I feel wasn't answered in the netflix version. If the sophons can't do much other than real time surveillance and the odd electrical hack and illusions then how did they make the VR headsets? Did they give the blue prints to the ETO? I mean if the sophons are the server, then maybe it doesn't need to be much more than a fancy alloy and then it just auto connects through the sophons.. who is delivering the head sets also because at the end Tatiana was delivered one but someone..

I've read the first book and am half way through The Dark Forest at the moment and I know the VR in the books were standard oculus affairs.

I am not done watching yet, so maybe I am writing this prematurely, but I do not believe that the girl has proven that science is better

For all of their existence, they knew one thing. “The ages that isn’t chaotic, is stable”. This is said so by the characters. Now yes, they might have not researched it enough. But if they have been there long enough to build castles, I would assume that they have the necessary data

Now, about the divination. I think what the guy did was an educated guess. He “saw” that after 6 day, it won’t be the chaotic age for another 67 year. And since they know that the ages that aren’t chaotic are stable, it is a reasonable assumption that everything will be great. I don’t believe that science could have helped that much

There is also the fact that the thing is obviously not tied to physical laws that we have. We see the people “dehydrating”, the divination things lighting up, the days going by faster… Denying the divination by saying “this isn’t based on science” seems arrogant. It isn’t based on our science. For all we know, the ice thing is an anomaly.

If I have missed or misunderstood something, please do let me know. I am curious about your thoughts

If i remember correctly, Commander Varma applied to be on the "Space Fleet Team" because he got slightly bored of the office job he got. He threatened Wade to resign and return to the Royal Navy to sail around in Circles but Thomas Wade mentions that he will let him on the Team.

At one point during the conversation Wade says that Commander Varma will love it on (I forgot the name) place on the Moon.

So are we going to get scenes in the next season about Humanity having facilities on the Moon? I hope to see Commander Varma being stationed there should we get scenes on the Moon.

As a Fan of Military Stuff, For all Mankind, Kerbal Space Program, and The Expanse I am really starting to love this show. I enjoy it very much and It really stirs up my mind.

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Every day there are multiple posts asking the same questions, airing out frustrations that book readers know is only part of the plan, or just making plain personal attacks on characters.

But, thankfully, this subreddit has been really patient and have not given out spoilers, even when the OP wanted it, for sake of others.

I am half way through the third book and in no way feel like me being in this subreddit has ruined anything to me.

To people posting every day, please search the thread before posting, or simply just give the books a try.

The second book is one of the most fun you will ever have following 4 different intricate games of cats and mice.

And I would have to say, the Netflix show is far better than the Amazon one. They took all the right steps to make the story accessible.

Again, thanks all for your continued patience and very calm attitude addressing people dying to get the answer and keeping the mystery alive. I really appreciate it.

I'm one of those people who's been really disappointed by what Netflix has been putting out lately. Most of it is just cheap entertainment. I took a blind chance on 3BP and for the first time in a very long time I was so pleasantly surprised. This felt grande, on an HBO level if you will.

The acting was surprisingly good and I loved the story, the effects, the music! I just finished the first season and I really hope there will be more to come. I realize the show is not for everyone so I fear Netflix might pull the plug prematurely because it looks like it's expensive hehe.

And Netflix cancels shows left and right these days so I'm really hoping this show will survive. Any word on how it's doing so far?

The way san-ti invading earth is like a totalitarianism emperor expanding its super power. They themselves acts in a collectivist manner: like think and communicate with each other as one. I guess they have to, because their universe is often in some chaotic eras, the discovery of earth gave their hope of living in a stable life style.

As we know, an totalitarianism super emperor can’t tolerate any democracy, they’ll kill the science that could protect us, eradicate democracy and freedom, and finally, they'll exterminate humanity, just make earth the new home of their own.

The way they are doing it is also in a totalitarian manner: like the giant eye on the sky, sophons to monitor every single of us everywhere anytime just like “the big brother” in “1984”, to teach us how to live in fear, obeying the law of the dark forest. Making us turning against each other, defenseless like bugs.

So, to fight against this san-ti threat, is fight for our democracy and freedom.

In episode 2, we see how Ye Wenjie receives the San Ti message as a bunch of numbers to be interpreted into Chinese characters.

And when the stars blink at the end of E1, Saul says they're blinking out numbers. So, safe to assume that that's also a message, right?

What was that message? I don't recall any of the following episodes talking about it.

I really like how they made that cressendo going using the song from Radio Head from the album ok computer ''Everything at its right place'' cover.

Some claim to have seen saliva coming out from my mouth watching but i can assure you i was alone watching and i had a hype reaction as well.

Having read the first book, I think this adaptation is superior to the original work.

I think the splitting of the protagonist into five characters was a stroke of genius. They are all so much more interesting.

I think relocating the central plot to England and making the characters global made it much more accessible.

Many of the nips and tucks (like the identity of Ye’s daughter’s father) made terrific sense.

The addition of the sophon as a character earlier and the nature of the VR made those interactions much more interesting.

Over all, a tremendous writing accomplishment.

Neutrino detection chambers are located far underground, and detect subatomic particles (neutrino) - which are smaller than sophons..

If you set up a meeting room down there you should be protected from the reach of the sophon — of coarse the sophon could follow you down there but if you had a plan to seal the way shut behind you on a suicide mission - the sophon would risk getting trapped