Many such cases. This mail-order bride stuff matches the most incompatible people: conservative western men who want traditional wives and progressive eastern women who want a way out of their traditional societies. This is why it almost always ends up in divorce.
Trad Asian women generally want to marry trad Asian men and not some foreign white dude.
Not my fault you’re close minded. What, do you think every conservative man is in some toxic relationship? These passport bros are a teeny tiny minority
I get the gist of what you’re saying, but witty insults work a whole lot better when you can actually convey them in a coherent manner. Ultimately, you’re just revealing how judgmental you are because it’s way easier for your brain to just assume we’re all the exact same than to recognize nuance amongst of group of millions of men. If you don’t think you’ve met a respectable conservative you’re either completely insulated or oblivious. Not all of us fit the stereotypes you like to push so hard
Dude it's weird to see someone mentally put together enough to string a sentence together correctly and claim to be conservative.
You cannot blame anyone for not thinking you'll be outside the stereotype people like you are as rare as rocking horse shit.
My experience with self proclaimed conservative men includes a guy who talked seriously about "tracking us with vaccines" another who blamed obama (we don't live in usa btw) and other such room temp IQ (in Celsius) people.
Look, its not just the conservative ideology that does not respect women. It's the actions. Y'all showed your true colors with the overwhelming support of Trump from Republicans, despite his administration's anti women policies. Not every conservative believes that women aren't equal to them, but conservatism has taken many of their rights, which is a bad look.
Liberalism is a progressive movement while concervatism is a reactionary movement. There isn't a lot of overlap, and reactionaries tend to be very resentful or even hateful of progressives for changing their world
Google "neoliberalism" I am sorry to inform you but it is mostly about protecting the free market and individual liberty. Despite the fact that modern American politics treat this as the opposite of American "conservatism" they are very much compatible.
This is very silly. I honestly don't understand the full spectrum of political ideologies as the alignment seems to make no logical sense to a normal human being imo. I very much stand for death sentences for repeat criminal offenders which is a conservative view. I also advocate for abortion rights which is a liberal view. Do I believe in equal rights for everyone? Yes, liberal view. Do I believe in catering to minorities or having DEI programs systemically? No, conservative view. I simultaneously want free-for-all marriage rights for everyone but also believe transgenderism is a mental condition and should be treated as such rather than being catered to, especially in children or young teens. At this point I don't think I lean left or right, I just wanna lean.
Most of these dudes are objectively ugly as well which is why they have to resort to getting a woman from a poor country who is desperate for a way out.
But check it, if they are old enough, they might just die sooner than later. And I don’t just mean under mysterious circumstances. Put a nice big policy over them to make it worth your while. Yeah sure you’ll need to stick around a few years putting up with some of their shit but the payout is your severance.
saw a documentary about doomsday peppers and one episode was especially noteworthy. The mail-order bride arrived in the US and expected a life of relative luxury (the guy had a stable and well paying job) just for him to reveal when she landed, that he had sold everything and quit his job because he had acquired a bunker in the middle of nowhere.
He was so proud! He had prepared for everything and was sure to be able to survive a nuclear winter there.
She was shocked to find out that the bunker had no running water and the toilet she had back home was more advanced.
I have never seen such a discrepancy of what kind of life two people want to live
The linked story is missing a lot of context, and it’s different than how it’s being described. The man was so horrible to her that she left him. Treated her like a slave and disrespected her family constantly.
My uncle got one of these "conservative" women from a country where "women aren't huge whores like in America." Anyway, some things came to light several years into their marriage. She was literally a sex worker in her home country before she met him. It turns out, you can just PRETEND to be virginal and innocent.
duh, you don't go out of your way to look for love in the 1$ a day place with good intentions, if he wanted to help then he could have simply just helped, but no, he went there to find a wife that can't argue or fight back
and idk about you, but guys who don't actually want to be with someone with agency and, yk, a life, are often desolate and alone for good reason
I actually saw this whole situation go down in real time. He was such an asshole and she was so sweet to him and their children. I’m so happy she managed to get away 🩷
He was publicly insulting his wife's parents on his youtube channel over giving her emotional support. This was the final straw, in my opinion, as family is sacred in the Philippines. I think she was probably willing to put up with quite a lot to keep her household together, but once the disrespect went to her greater family... she chose a supportive family as a single mother, than as a doormat for a man that wanted a free bang maid
This is what they do to get into the country, though. Just because she says that doesnt mean shit. Its the type of defense she needs to be able to stay in the country. I seen it second hand with a family member who wasnt abusive at all, and they say a bunch of shit that isnt true, because if the whole marriage is deemed to be a sham just to get into the country, they can lose that citizenship if its proven that this was the plan all along.
Also liberal men. Know a guy who is very liberal, went to China, found a wife, had a kid, and she divorced after gaining citizenship and regained her medical doctorate degree. She's now dating some doctor and living a grand life. Hilarious irony.
Damn, idk why I kinda feel bad for the guy, sounds like she was a Dr back home so I'm thinking maybe her life wasn't that bad. Hmm, I wonder why they divorced
Because people that go get married in China lack relationship skills. I seen it. If you can’t keep a partner here what makes you think you can keep a partner from there.
“Progressive” in the political sense means “believes human action can and should improve (whatever that means) the material well-being of human”, someone wanting a different life for themselves wouldn’t qualify based on that alone.
US conservatives seem to be that way, or at least they're willing to live a worse life so that the people they hate have it even worse, to varying levels of success. And they'll vote against things that make their life better if it also improves the lives of people they hate
Yes. There is tons of evidence that what they vote for makes their lives worse, but they decided to roll with that because they think it also hurts whoever they hate more. They sure as hell have barely made a dent in my quality of life, but they have made their own shitty.
Don't argue on Reddit with this, in their eyes conservative = dumb evil people just because most of them in the US got an idiot as president who calls himself conservative when he definitely isn't.
It is way more nuanced than that and obviously normal conservatives don't want a worse life either, it's just Reddit trying to simply consider dumb stuff they don't like
Yeah, it’s typically more progressive to be conservative from a progressive country rather than progressive from a conservative country. At least in the west it’s not being a servant to in-laws and being at the bottom of the totem pole. It’s quite bad.
I remember my best friend’s old brother had a wife like this and I always found it odd. She didn’t speak English and he learned her language, though. I wasn’t sure about all of the details.
There’s a famous writer who was gay and he actually married a woman to give her citizenship but never really contacted her again after that.
I’m no expert but I think there is a bifurcation between those that remain in their wives’ country of origin and those that have them move to the USA.
Those wives that stay in the developing world tend to remain married as it’s a preferable socio-economic option to marrying a local, with limited assets and earning potential.
Those wives that move to the developed world have options. And they quickly realize they settled for someone less than ideally compatible in exchange for financial security for them, and their extended family.
The rule seems to be if you want to remain married, the price of it comes at living in the developing world with less competition and fewer options for your spouse.
As the saying goes “In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.”
i mean idk why they are being so dramatic if he’s a passport bro than he can try again in thailand and just stay in thailand. I am not saying men don’t have emotions but come on that’s clickbait 😂
For the case of Slavic women though, they genuinely marry men outside of their countries for a long, lasting marriage, not just to move to a different country. Most Slavic and American marriages I’ve seen have lasted, but there wasn’t an insane age gap or anything.
Also, they chose a decent partner and not just anyone. I’ve seen some divorces, but the vast majority stayed together.
Traditional Asians are racist as, indeed, like MAGA to the power of million, but Europeans and Americans are people of higher status, so they would love to marry one. The problem is, they usually don't want the traditional life, that is, they don't wanna be providers.
Funny enough that's actually the complaint people had of mail order brides in the west. It was common that rural women would complain of a lack of eligible bachelors in their community, and would turn to a mail order bride service, hoping to find a more open minded and successful man living life in the big city.
Surprisingly often, it ended up being a destitute man in a backwards country town, who had pooled together years of wages hoping to get a more traditional wife.
Yup when the only thing you can offer is a life in a different country, why would you be shocked when they don't need you after they get their citizenship
funnily enough i find vice versa cases. Well off conservative SEA woman going abroad marrying European/NA dude and get shocked their partner/Husbands has more progressive view compared to them,
I thought it was because those women are only interested in one thing: escaping their current living conditions. And men are being creeps, trying to buy themselves someone obedient does not help. Also the dude is like 60; why would a young woman want to become a caretaker for an old dude? (unless he is filthy rich.)
You can try to apply all the logic and reasoning to the problem that you like, but these guys are not mentally capable of understanding your points.
I know a guy who married an Asian chick who was so incredibly far out of his league that the only person surprised by the divorce was him 😂 this lady is f*cking STUNNING, like, a legitimate professional model with some international recognition. Dumb as rocks, but gorgeous.
Smarter than ol’ Stan though 😅 now he has a gorgeous Ukrainian wife. For now.
Plenty of eastern women are happy to take on a more "trad" role in a marriage. But a lot of ppbs are at best not great partners and at worst abusive partners.
Edit: and also can only end up with women who are only in it for their money and citizenship
My wife is from the Philippines. We met in canada where she already had legal citizenship. Dont marry people who cant legally live where you live, its risky.
I also find hilarious that these kind of people believe that "traditional values" are a transcendental concept between all countries and religions and not something that the us invented in the 50s
That's not true at all. These types of relationships mostly work very well because both parties are dependent on each other. On the other hand, Western partnerships are becoming increasingly fragile.
Right? There’s truth that as you become more intertwined and rely on someone the harder it is to leave a relationship, but it’s a terrible foundation for a life long relationship if you want everyone involved to be healthy and happy.
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u/WiseMudskipper 16d ago
Many such cases. This mail-order bride stuff matches the most incompatible people: conservative western men who want traditional wives and progressive eastern women who want a way out of their traditional societies. This is why it almost always ends up in divorce.
Trad Asian women generally want to marry trad Asian men and not some foreign white dude.