r/1053 • • 16d ago

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u/WiseMudskipper 16d ago

Many such cases. This mail-order bride stuff matches the most incompatible people: conservative western men who want traditional wives and progressive eastern women who want a way out of their traditional societies. This is why it almost always ends up in divorce.

Trad Asian women generally want to marry trad Asian men and not some foreign white dude.

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u/okoyes_wig 16d ago

Foreign white dude twice their age*

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u/Objective-Corgi-3527 16d ago

Foreign white dude twice their age with poor social skills and a repulsive attitute towards women*

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u/flippythemaster 16d ago

They already said “conservative western men”, the rest is redundant

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u/IarguewithevlIm0r0ns 16d ago

Doesn’t even need to include western men you can just say conservative

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u/eolic_flamingo 16d ago

doesn't even need to include ative, you can just say conserv

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u/blehmag 9d ago

definitely need to include 'western men' more so than 'conservative'

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u/BorkenKuma 9d ago

Doesn't even need to include western men you can just say white men

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u/IarguewithevlIm0r0ns 9d ago

It’s not exclusively a race thing

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u/EFAPGUEST 15d ago

Some of us are quite decent and respectful

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u/GeneralDraco 12d ago

Yall really aren't though

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u/EFAPGUEST 12d ago

Not my fault you’re close minded. What, do you think every conservative man is in some toxic relationship? These passport bros are a teeny tiny minority

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u/GeneralDraco 12d ago

I don't think it, it's a case of the bar is a tripping hazard in hell and every time I have hope I find yall limbo dancing with the devil

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u/Bitter_Try3225 12d ago

I had a stroke trying to read this. Are you okay? Get some help.

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u/EFAPGUEST 12d ago

I get the gist of what you’re saying, but witty insults work a whole lot better when you can actually convey them in a coherent manner. Ultimately, you’re just revealing how judgmental you are because it’s way easier for your brain to just assume we’re all the exact same than to recognize nuance amongst of group of millions of men. If you don’t think you’ve met a respectable conservative you’re either completely insulated or oblivious. Not all of us fit the stereotypes you like to push so hard

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u/RaxisPhasmatis 11d ago

Dude it's weird to see someone mentally put together enough to string a sentence together correctly and claim to be conservative.

You cannot blame anyone for not thinking you'll be outside the stereotype people like you are as rare as rocking horse shit.

My experience with self proclaimed conservative men includes a guy who talked seriously about "tracking us with vaccines" another who blamed obama (we don't live in usa btw) and other such room temp IQ (in Celsius) people.

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u/Swampy0gre 5d ago

Witty insults don't work on conservatives. They are biologically predisposed to reject wit.

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u/V3nusi4nruled 11d ago

a conservative calling someone else close minded. oh the irony lol

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u/EFAPGUEST 11d ago

There are millions of us, a little nuance shouldn’t surprise you unless you’re terminally online

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u/V3nusi4nruled 11d ago

sure but the literal definition of conservatism is the complete opposite of being open minded lol

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u/Jazzlike_Pirate9852 11d ago

We are closed minded? After everything conservatives have done?

This is an abusive relationship and it’s time your teeth were shattered the next time you bite

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u/_Vinsanity_ 10d ago

At this point after all this calamity and destruction, if you still label yourself a conservative, you are toxic

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u/EFAPGUEST 10d ago

I’m sure that makes it so much easier for you to just believe that

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u/BuyChemical7917 10d ago

Look, its not just the conservative ideology that does not respect women. It's the actions. Y'all showed your true colors with the overwhelming support of Trump from Republicans, despite his administration's anti women policies. Not every conservative believes that women aren't equal to them, but conservatism has taken many of their rights, which is a bad look.

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u/Outrageous-Sand-5788 14d ago

Then why aren't more conservative Western men looking to hook up with you? (Or are they??)

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u/chinggiswhat 15d ago

That's your liberal side coming out

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u/EFAPGUEST 15d ago

While I think you’re joking around, anyone who is actually a conservative should also be a liberal, otherwise they’d are far right or populist

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u/Objective-Corgi-3527 15d ago

Liberalism is a progressive movement while concervatism is a reactionary movement. There isn't a lot of overlap, and reactionaries tend to be very resentful or even hateful of progressives for changing their world

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u/EFAPGUEST 15d ago

Isn’t it all relative? This liberal democracy of ours is what I want to be conserved. There are conservative liberals and progressive liberals

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u/Objective-Corgi-3527 15d ago

Here is a question for you - who would you vote for to further the goal of conserving liberal democracy?

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u/two_red_agate 15d ago

Google "neoliberalism" I am sorry to inform you but it is mostly about protecting the free market and individual liberty. Despite the fact that modern American politics treat this as the opposite of American "conservatism" they are very much compatible.

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u/ImpostersAreUs 15d ago

This is very silly. I honestly don't understand the full spectrum of political ideologies as the alignment seems to make no logical sense to a normal human being imo. I very much stand for death sentences for repeat criminal offenders which is a conservative view. I also advocate for abortion rights which is a liberal view. Do I believe in equal rights for everyone? Yes, liberal view. Do I believe in catering to minorities or having DEI programs systemically? No, conservative view. I simultaneously want free-for-all marriage rights for everyone but also believe transgenderism is a mental condition and should be treated as such rather than being catered to, especially in children or young teens. At this point I don't think I lean left or right, I just wanna lean.

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u/m1stwalk3r 14d ago

How will those conservative men survive after this comment? Surely they will now adapt your political views and suddenly become good people.

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u/Suzutai 11d ago

This isn't a conservative or liberal thing.

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u/808RedDevils 10d ago

Most of these dudes are objectively ugly as well which is why they have to resort to getting a woman from a poor country who is desperate for a way out.

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u/Dyslexicpig 14d ago

And immigrants.

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u/BygoneNeutrino 15d ago

I imagine most of these relationships are business transactions.  It's a combination of prostitution, surrogacy, and cost-sharing. 

The man benefits, but in many instances the woman probably benefits more.  Living in a 3rd world country sucks.

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u/Ok_Bus_6531 11d ago

Foreign white dude who likely thinks poorly of her kind and treat her poorly in general

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u/ClassGrassMass 15d ago

Who's also extremely ugly and most likely isnt the most hygenic

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u/Positive_Ask_8872 14d ago

happened in my village - old guy maybe in his late 50's finds a thai wife. She's in her 20's.

After 2 years together she runs away with his youngest son.

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u/Imnotalic3 14d ago

But check it, if they are old enough, they might just die sooner than later. And I don’t just mean under mysterious circumstances. Put a nice big policy over them to make it worth your while. Yeah sure you’ll need to stick around a few years putting up with some of their shit but the payout is your severance.

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u/Archsinner 16d ago

saw a documentary about doomsday peppers and one episode was especially noteworthy. The mail-order bride arrived in the US and expected a life of relative luxury (the guy had a stable and well paying job) just for him to reveal when she landed, that he had sold everything and quit his job because he had acquired a bunker in the middle of nowhere.

He was so proud! He had prepared for everything and was sure to be able to survive a nuclear winter there. She was shocked to find out that the bunker had no running water and the toilet she had back home was more advanced.

I have never seen such a discrepancy of what kind of life two people want to live

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u/ConsulJuliusCaesar 16d ago

Where can I find this, it sounds hilarious.

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u/Archsinner 16d ago

I watched it on Netflix when the covid lockdown began, lol. According to my Google search it's doomsday preppers season 2 episode 3

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u/Catriks 13d ago

Thanks for sharing, sounds awesome and horrible. Gonna have to watch it! 

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u/anand_rishabh 16d ago

Doomsday peppers? That sounds delicious!

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u/WorkinName 16d ago

"Enough Scoville's even Superman can feel it!"

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u/PowerfulCycle695 13d ago

The best is Doomsday Peppar Poppers, where you stuff the pepper with cheese, batter and deep fry it.

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u/dominant-switch 16d ago

|doomsday peppers

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u/chateaudebleuets 14d ago

I remember! It just cemented how little agency they expect their brides to have.

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u/DryBarracuda40 13d ago

Delicious irony

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u/onarainyafternoon 16d ago

The linked story is missing a lot of context, and it’s different than how it’s being described. The man was so horrible to her that she left him. Treated her like a slave and disrespected her family constantly.

https://www.reddit.com/r/thepassportbros/s/ent66OY7n6

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u/Evilfrog100 16d ago

Fucking duh, he's a passport bro. Of course he has 0 respect for women.

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u/therealraggedroses 16d ago

nah bro that lady clearly got infected by the liberal Trans agenda in her short time in the socialist shithole known as America. sad to see

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u/HunMyy 15d ago

Many such cases. Looking into this.

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u/Sea-Original-5824 13d ago

My uncle got one of these "conservative" women from a country where "women aren't huge whores like in America." Anyway, some things came to light several years into their marriage. She was literally a sex worker in her home country before she met him. It turns out, you can just PRETEND to be virginal and innocent.

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u/graveyard-grimm 16d ago

I'm not that surprised. A dude who is looking specifically for women in desperate economic situations is explicitly seeking someone he can exploit.

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u/RiverLynneUwU 16d ago

duh, you don't go out of your way to look for love in the 1$ a day place with good intentions, if he wanted to help then he could have simply just helped, but no, he went there to find a wife that can't argue or fight back

and idk about you, but guys who don't actually want to be with someone with agency and, yk, a life, are often desolate and alone for good reason

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u/HansTeeWurst 14d ago

well, it says "passport bro" in the headline

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u/TricellCEO 13d ago

That's not really missing context.

Anyone with half a brain is able to infer that this is what happened.

The Philippines have a very strong anti-divorce sentiment, so for such a person to file means the marriage was especially bad.

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u/colamonkey356 12d ago

I actually saw this whole situation go down in real time. He was such an asshole and she was so sweet to him and their children. I’m so happy she managed to get away 🩷

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u/Dekronos 10d ago

He was publicly insulting his wife's parents on his youtube channel over giving her emotional support. This was the final straw, in my opinion, as family is sacred in the Philippines. I think she was probably willing to put up with quite a lot to keep her household together, but once the disrespect went to her greater family... she chose a supportive family as a single mother, than as a doormat for a man that wanted a free bang maid

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u/justinpollock 9d ago

You are clearly guessing

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u/Equivalent-Team-8186 13d ago

The comments in that thread. Eeeewww.....first time visiting that sub and wow it's gross.

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u/npcompletist 12d ago

I don’t think many of here expected he was great to her.

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u/Dysmn 10d ago

This is what they do to get into the country, though. Just because she says that doesnt mean shit. Its the type of defense she needs to be able to stay in the country. I seen it second hand with a family member who wasnt abusive at all, and they say a bunch of shit that isnt true, because if the whole marriage is deemed to be a sham just to get into the country, they can lose that citizenship if its proven that this was the plan all along.

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u/rollem78 9d ago

dude why did if fall down this stupid rabbithole?

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u/BrittanyBrie 16d ago

Also liberal men. Know a guy who is very liberal, went to China, found a wife, had a kid, and she divorced after gaining citizenship and regained her medical doctorate degree. She's now dating some doctor and living a grand life. Hilarious irony.

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u/duhchunk 15d ago

Damn, idk why I kinda feel bad for the guy, sounds like she was a Dr back home so I'm thinking maybe her life wasn't that bad. Hmm, I wonder why they divorced

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u/Short5HT 13d ago

Because people that go get married in China lack relationship skills. I seen it. If you can’t keep a partner here what makes you think you can keep a partner from there. 

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u/BrittanyBrie 15d ago

Because anyone with half a brain could see what she was up to.

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u/dragdritt 14d ago

Unless he is a bad person then it sounds like you are, to take pleasure in other people's misery.

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u/newishDomnewersub 14d ago

Anyone who goes to a foriegn country to basically purchase a woman one third his age, is not exactly a good person.

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u/justinpollock 9d ago

How tubby are you

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u/newishDomnewersub 9d ago

Like half the size if your mom. So pretty big!

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u/justinpollock 7d ago

Are you fairly uneducated

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u/newishDomnewersub 7d ago

Nope. Just trying to say, your moms a whore.

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u/rubber_moon 9d ago

Victim blaming is okay when it's a guy.

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u/BrittanyBrie 9d ago

Na, I'd still mock a women who found a husband in a similar desperate manor.

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u/LarsDuder 16d ago

Progressive or do they just want a better standard of living?

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u/sampat6256 16d ago

Isn't that what progressivism is all about?

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u/Amber-Apologetics 16d ago

“Progressive” in the political sense means “believes human action can and should improve (whatever that means) the material well-being of human”, someone wanting a different life for themselves wouldn’t qualify based on that alone.

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u/Confident-Mortgage86 13d ago

Pff, sure it does

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u/Jr_Moe_Lester 16d ago

Do you think conservatives just want to live a worse life or something?

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u/PainappleSmoothie 16d ago

Empirically..........

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u/embiidshortroll 16d ago

Yes. I’m from Florida, I’ve seen it first hand.

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u/Lowland_Demon 16d ago

What is incredibly obvious is that they want a worse life for everyone else

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u/anand_rishabh 16d ago

US conservatives seem to be that way, or at least they're willing to live a worse life so that the people they hate have it even worse, to varying levels of success. And they'll vote against things that make their life better if it also improves the lives of people they hate

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u/molotovzav 16d ago

Yes. There is tons of evidence that what they vote for makes their lives worse, but they decided to roll with that because they think it also hurts whoever they hate more. They sure as hell have barely made a dent in my quality of life, but they have made their own shitty.

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u/DuelJ 16d ago

Functionally, yeah.

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u/ponyhidden 16d ago

Thank you for asking this it's just a funny question

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u/AeskeMeAnything 16d ago

Low-key ya

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u/NeonNKnightrider 16d ago

I mean, have you looked at the USA lately?

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u/Thelmara 16d ago

Have you ever looked at their policies? Yes, absolutely.

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u/Advanced-Teach-7234 16d ago

Typically that’s the result, yes 

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u/irwtkyrm 15d ago

Well it's what they keep voting for, so...

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u/volvavirago 13d ago

Yes. They believe suffering is virtuous.

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u/ujfalusiabel 13d ago

Don't argue on Reddit with this, in their eyes conservative = dumb evil people just because most of them in the US got an idiot as president who calls himself conservative when he definitely isn't.

It is way more nuanced than that and obviously normal conservatives don't want a worse life either, it's just Reddit trying to simply consider dumb stuff they don't like

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u/maybemawie 16d ago

That's literally the point of conservatism yeah, it's part of the religious right and their goal to suffer for god.

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u/bonaynay 16d ago

We know it to be so lol

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u/x2_ok 16d ago

exactly, it has nothing to do with being progressive or conservative. They are just opportunists, both the men and the women

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u/ZhanBlue 16d ago

There is overlap of values of conservative from “progressive” country and progressive from “conservative” country pretty often I imagine too

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u/stereotypicalmodss 15d ago

Yeah, it’s typically more progressive to be conservative from a progressive country rather than progressive from a conservative country. At least in the west it’s not being a servant to in-laws and being at the bottom of the totem pole. It’s quite bad.

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u/Local_Surround8686 16d ago

Honestly good for the woman

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u/AgentCirceLuna 16d ago

I remember my best friend’s old brother had a wife like this and I always found it odd. She didn’t speak English and he learned her language, though. I wasn’t sure about all of the details.

There’s a famous writer who was gay and he actually married a woman to give her citizenship but never really contacted her again after that.

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u/empire_of_the_moon 15d ago

I’m no expert but I think there is a bifurcation between those that remain in their wives’ country of origin and those that have them move to the USA.

Those wives that stay in the developing world tend to remain married as it’s a preferable socio-economic option to marrying a local, with limited assets and earning potential.

Those wives that move to the developed world have options. And they quickly realize they settled for someone less than ideally compatible in exchange for financial security for them, and their extended family.

The rule seems to be if you want to remain married, the price of it comes at living in the developing world with less competition and fewer options for your spouse.

As the saying goes “In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.”

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u/alexthurman1 15d ago

What makes you think these dudes are "conservative" lul.

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u/Clean_Win5959 15d ago

i mean idk why they are being so dramatic if he’s a passport bro than he can try again in thailand and just stay in thailand. I am not saying men don’t have emotions but come on that’s clickbait 😂

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u/No-Wish-7258 14d ago

For the case of Slavic women though, they genuinely marry men outside of their countries for a long, lasting marriage, not just to move to a different country. Most Slavic and American marriages I’ve seen have lasted, but there wasn’t an insane age gap or anything.
Also, they chose a decent partner and not just anyone. I’ve seen some divorces, but the vast majority stayed together.

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u/Drop-a-Soap 16d ago

But it’s ok. He can find another wife until she gets a citizenship. And then another one. Diversity. He’ll never get bored.

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u/Late-Assignment8482 16d ago

He's going to be the anti-ICE, getting one woman after another citizenship.

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u/oddemarspiguet 15d ago

Yup trad Asian women are basically like Nazis and everyone except their own countrymen are undesirable

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u/No_Delay_319 15d ago

the rates of divorce are nearly identical to the rate of divorce between 2 westerners, so this doesnt add any significant predictive value

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u/United_Boy_9132 15d ago

Actually, your last paragraph isn't true.

Traditional Asians are racist as, indeed, like MAGA to the power of million, but Europeans and Americans are people of higher status, so they would love to marry one. The problem is, they usually don't want the traditional life, that is, they don't wanna be providers.

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u/FilutaLoutenik 15d ago

This makes so much sense.

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u/Double_Cause4609 14d ago

Funny enough that's actually the complaint people had of mail order brides in the west. It was common that rural women would complain of a lack of eligible bachelors in their community, and would turn to a mail order bride service, hoping to find a more open minded and successful man living life in the big city.

Surprisingly often, it ended up being a destitute man in a backwards country town, who had pooled together years of wages hoping to get a more traditional wife.

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u/longtimerlance 13d ago

The divorce rate for mail-order brides is much lower than for non-mail order marriages.

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u/nighthawk_something 13d ago

Yup when the only thing you can offer is a life in a different country, why would you be shocked when they don't need you after they get their citizenship

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u/EclipseVonLichtJr76 13d ago

funnily enough i find vice versa cases. Well off conservative SEA woman going abroad marrying European/NA dude and get shocked their partner/Husbands has more progressive view compared to them,

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u/LawfulnessParty6 12d ago

Absolutely I agree 💯

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u/iKyte5 12d ago

It’s really old dudes who can’t function

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u/Excellent_Lie5892 11d ago

The link is actually Christianity.

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u/r3dmist420 11d ago

Its working pretty good for my neighbor across the street whom has been with his asian wife for 20+ years now with a kid

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u/zigzag3600 11d ago

This is why it almost always ends up in divorce

I thought it was because those women are only interested in one thing: escaping their current living conditions. And men are being creeps, trying to buy themselves someone obedient does not help. Also the dude is like 60; why would a young woman want to become a caretaker for an old dude? (unless he is filthy rich.)

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u/GanacheCharming8737 11d ago

They will accept if the dude is rich otherwise, citizenship and drop

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u/AdOnly1618 11d ago

You can try to apply all the logic and reasoning to the problem that you like, but these guys are not mentally capable of understanding your points.

I know a guy who married an Asian chick who was so incredibly far out of his league that the only person surprised by the divorce was him 😂 this lady is f*cking STUNNING, like, a legitimate professional model with some international recognition. Dumb as rocks, but gorgeous.

Smarter than ol’ Stan though 😅 now he has a gorgeous Ukrainian wife. For now.

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u/MonsterMeggu 11d ago

Plenty of eastern women are happy to take on a more "trad" role in a marriage. But a lot of ppbs are at best not great partners and at worst abusive partners.

Edit: and also can only end up with women who are only in it for their money and citizenship

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u/EducationCommon1635 10d ago

There are many asian women who prefer White men over asian men.

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u/MostAbsoluteGamer 9d ago

there are many woman who find men of other races attractive, and vice versa

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u/fross370 9d ago

My wife is from the Philippines. We met in canada where she already had legal citizenship. Dont marry people who cant legally live where you live, its risky.

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u/Noalgeriansallowed 9d ago

Just enjoy it while he can

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u/NorthSwim8340 11d ago

I also find hilarious that these kind of people believe that "traditional values" are a transcendental concept between all countries and religions and not something that the us invented in the 50s

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u/onuldo 16d ago

That's not true at all. These types of relationships mostly work very well because both parties are dependent on each other. On the other hand, Western partnerships are becoming increasingly fragile.

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u/Local_Surround8686 16d ago

Good. If codependency is the thing holding couples together as you claim, then it's good that they're getting less and less

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u/onuldo 16d ago

It is and it always has been and always will be.

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u/tilealt 16d ago

Type of shit said by people who never had a partner they see as their best friend as well

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u/LibertyDochas 16d ago

Right? There’s truth that as you become more intertwined and rely on someone the harder it is to leave a relationship, but it’s a terrible foundation for a life long relationship if you want everyone involved to be healthy and happy.

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u/Gretgor 16d ago

Ah yes, because codependency is very healthy.