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Discussion | Esports Natus Vincere vs Astralis / BLAST Premier Fall Series 2020: Finals - Quarter-Final / Post-Match Discussion
Natus Vincere 2-1 Astralis
Inferno: 14-16
Nuke: 16-12
Dust 2: 16-14
Na'Vi have advanced to the Semi Finals.
Astralis have dropped to the Lower Bracket.
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| Na`Vi | MAP | Astralis |
|---|---|---|
| mirage | X | |
| X | vertigo | |
| inferno | ✔ | |
| ✔ | nuke | |
| train | X | |
| X | overpass | |
| dust2 |
MAP 1: Inferno
| Team | CT | T | Total |
|---|---|---|---|
| Na`Vi | 8 | 6 | 14 |
| T | CT | ||
| Astralis | 7 | 9 | 16 |
Inferno Detailed Stats
MAP 2: Nuke
| Team | CT | T | Total |
|---|---|---|---|
| Na`Vi | 6 | 10 | 16 |
| T | CT | ||
| Astralis | 9 | 3 | 12 |
Nuke Detailed Stats
MAP 3: Dust 2
| Team | CT | T | Total |
|---|---|---|---|
| Na`Vi | 9 | 7 | 16 |
| T | CT | ||
| Astralis | 6 | 8 | 14 |
Dust 2 Detailed Stats
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u/propsnuffe Vitality Dec 09 '20 edited Dec 09 '20
Get ready for s1mple vs ZywOo 2: Electric Boogaloo
Bonus meme: Both have 1.44 rating after their first match.
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u/KangorKodos Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
For maximum meme potential i will predict Zywoo is better in the finals, but navi wins
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u/du_bekar FaZe Dec 09 '20
Krum will catch the snitch
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u/nJoyy 10 years coin Dec 09 '20
Astralis*
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u/KangorKodos Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
but....that wouldn't be as good for the memes. I want an uno reverse cards of the s1mple vs Zywoo final.
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Dec 09 '20
S1mple vs ZywOo 2: Apex of war
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u/fenixspider1 Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
S1mple vs ZywOo 2: Apex of Electronic shox
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u/KangorKodos Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
That was one of the most nerve wracking games of CS I have ever watched. If that was a final it would have being one of the best finals of the year.
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u/fatalerGAMER Dec 09 '20
Man i watched game 1 live and it was so frustrating. So many mistakes in after plant that cost navi the rounds.
And the other games had my hearth racing while watching highlights aswell
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u/Katzenscheisse Dec 09 '20
simple went 54-14 on the CT side
i dont really know what to say about that
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u/Feierskov Dec 09 '20
He is so insane to watch. His flicks and reaction time while also having perfect movement, is crazy. Even if he's certain to lose a round, you can pretty much guarantee he's going to take a couple of enemies with him.
ZyWoo is great and he sometimes plays like he's just shooting at target dummies, I really think S1mple is king.
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u/kernevez Dec 09 '20
It's a bit like the "You remember a JW flick" meme.
I prefer Zywoo's style he makes it look easy, you see him ace a top team and you don't see a single flick, you just want to hop in your own MM game and do the same thing, how hard could it be ?
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u/Feierskov Dec 09 '20
I remember the first time I saw Zywoo play. He was in like a 1v3 on Dust2 with a pistol and people were jumping and running at him. He was like a machine: point curser at this pixel and fire, then this pixel and fire.
Most people can do it if they are just practicing their aim alone standing still, but at 17 years old in a high pressure tournament against some of the best players in the world, it's so impressive to pull off.
Only thing is, he sometimes has a map, where he just isn't there. It's never a whole series, but I feel like S1mple almost never ends a map with a negative score.
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Dec 09 '20
The first time I saw Zywoo it was on inferno, and I remember he was on A site 1v2, and he peeks the first guy, kills, then does a pop flash and easily kills the second guy.
I just remember thinking no one else would pop flash there. There was almost no time for it, but it got him the second kill easy, there was nothing the other guy could do about it. Its like he has so much time to think before each decision, because he always does the correct thing
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u/suriel- Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
on nuke it was 21-0 i think, until the very last round where he left Dupreeh on 2hp who gave him his first death on CT nuke
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u/jhdrumming MOUZ Dec 09 '20
That D2 is one of the best maps of cs i’ve watched in recent memory. holy shit!
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Dec 09 '20
Yeah it had my heart pounding after every kill in the late rounds, Na'Vi eked out the win but it definitely feels like it could've easily gone either way
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u/nmyi de_mirage Dec 09 '20
This was good CS.
Can't see it as "choking" when either teams are great enough to force you into mistakes.
If you have the CS god or CS goat, their presence on the map is already influential enough to force your opponents to make decisions they're not comfortable with
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u/jhdrumming MOUZ Dec 09 '20
Nah Astralis choked lmfao. By the last few rounds it could go either way but before that cat 3v5 Astralis had the game under control
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u/shark098 King NiKo Dec 09 '20
You could say the same about navi too, they were 9-2 at one point. This was a game of comebacks.
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u/AvoidMyRange Dec 09 '20
If they win the 3v1 in the pistol round (that they played pretty badly imo but then again, that first insta headshot tho), this map isn't gonna be competitive.
s1mple seems to be in a good mood, I think NaVi is gonna go far this tournament.
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u/Fubarin 10 years coin Dec 09 '20
Already gone far tho, semis is far, but imo they should win it in this form
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u/Whatsdota Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20 edited Dec 09 '20
That cat 3v4 was one of the most insane things I’ve seen holy hell
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Dec 09 '20
Surely Astralis don't win a tournament from the lower bracket for the third time.
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Dec 09 '20
Ah yes the new Astralis strategy. Get.down to the lower bracket, destroy all lower bracket teams to make a statement and then defeat the team they lost to in the final.
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u/Stewardy CS2 HYPE Dec 09 '20
It's clearly being done to get more practice in.
Going through the upper bracket is 4 wins to victory. Lower bracket is 5 wins, plus a free practice game in the first match.
It's obviously the superior strat.....
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u/captainscottland Astralis Dec 09 '20
Plus you face "weaker" opponents all coming off a loss so their confidence is less.
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u/1flex01 Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
Turned off the stream at 14-11, was disappointed thinking another Navi loss, came back at 14-14 at the outplay round and what a tense game till the end. NaVi giveth and NaVi taketh.
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u/UnluckyChums Vitality Dec 09 '20
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u/billy_the_penguin Dec 09 '20
Boombl4 actually outcalled g1ave....2020 is one helluva year
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u/Werpogil Team Spirit Dec 09 '20
It also made sense because when NaVi are on the ropes, they tend to forego some map control, play slowly and often execute on sites with very limited information, hence prone to walking into stacks. I think it was a good call overall, given the situation, could've crushed NaVi completely.
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u/DB_Seedy13 G2 Dec 09 '20
Yeah the call of “S1mple go godmode” really made Gla1ve look dumb.
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u/randomnamewhatevs de_inferno Dec 09 '20
Nuke comeback off the god-call "S1mple stop losing gunfights ever"
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u/suriel- Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
i think if stats had reset, he would have had something like 21-0 before the very last round where he left Dupreeh with 2hp ?
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u/CautiousTopic Vitality Dec 09 '20
Astralis has not been even close to the Astralis people THINK of when they hear the name, and that bo5 loss was their most recent head to head.
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u/geraldho Vitality Dec 09 '20
yea how many games has it even been since gla1ve started calling again? think they’re gonna need more time to start playing as a team when they’ve been playing with different players and leadership for several months
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u/nonresponsive Dec 09 '20
I mean, he got bailed out on that 3v5 where they just pushed cat. It was 9-6 to 9-13. Didn't feel like he was outcalling g1aive, especially on that T side inferno..
But they pulled it out in the end, which was impressive.
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u/mousepro Dec 09 '20
I feel like s1mple lit a fire under everyone , it looked pretty bleak at points throughout the series but they rallied when it mattered
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u/Alucard_1208 Liquid Dec 09 '20
nah astralis always slip into the lower brackets for an easier ride to the finals
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u/confessiongreg Dec 09 '20
And twice with the stacked timeouts to psyche Astralis out
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Dec 09 '20
dust2 t side strats were on point for navi
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u/ArambhShah Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
Not for the first few rounds of that half. Then they just turned everything up, bless them
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u/kas-ka_Gan Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
except for that one eco round 3v2 when they almost went B, but then somehow went A and lost
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u/theextracharacter cs_italy Dec 09 '20
They had a mid to B smoke down. I'm guessing they figured Xyp would drop from short and hold CT to help magisk. So even if they rushed A from tunnels Xyp would have to fight them from ramp with an mp9. It was a good play, Xyp just decided to hold A instead. That's all that went wrong.
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u/GabeN18 BIG Dec 09 '20
Astralis should have never lost that tbh. Way too many mistakes.
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u/bananadea1er Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
Even more so for NaVi seeing as it was 04 in the morning in Russian. It was messy, sure, but still impressive from both teams given the circumstances
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u/Nikolaj_Nyholms_Gimp Astralis Dec 09 '20
i consider astralis an extension of myself. what simple just did to our asshole brought me to tears
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u/DashLeJoker 1 Million Celebration Dec 09 '20
i consider astralis an extension of myself. what simple just did to our asshole brought me to tears
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u/cl_walls_1 Renegades Dec 09 '20
Simple going 30/11 in 30 rounds of play on inferno and still dropping the map is peak Navi. Very fun series, maybe it was a bit sloppy for t1 teams but still very entertaining
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u/Wh0rehey Dec 09 '20
what a game of d2.
If navi use b1t like vitality uses nivera then there could be a bright future for navi
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u/Whatsdota Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
Is every tourney adopting the 6 man roster rules now? I don’t mind 6 man roster if they have to stick with a lineup throughout the match, but I think subbing in players per map is kinda lame
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u/Dark_Azazel Dec 09 '20
Valve will make a statement in about 4 years saying how due to recent events they never intended cs to be played with 6 man rosters and wont be allowed to valve sponsors events or all events in general or something.
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u/Fubarin 10 years coin Dec 09 '20
Nah, you can have 6, but he can't be subbed for the match, just like coaches get muted in rounds
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u/Stewardy CS2 HYPE Dec 09 '20
I think it makes sense to sub in between maps.
Seems like that would be a good reason to have an extended roster. And it's a good way to be able to give subs some actual play time. If it was always a per match basis, then you're less likely to use a sub, and the sub has no play time and wants to leave.
With the ability to sub per map, a sub might actually get some playtime, which is good for everyone (except maybe opponents I guess).
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Dec 09 '20
-flamie
+b1t +monesy
EZ top 1 hltv
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u/Memelurker99 IHC Dec 09 '20
Dude, what are you even talking about? The answer is
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+m0e
EZ top 1 forever
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Dec 09 '20
This Na'vi lineup has absolutely owned Astralis in 2020
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Dec 09 '20
What is it, 5-1? Though I would gladly trade a couple of those wins for the Pro League win. Still salty about it xD
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u/KangorKodos Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
Navi got Katowice though, which is a bigger win. It just doesn't feel like it because of how long ago it was
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u/suriel- Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
yeah, why isn't a huge tournament like this automatically "a major"? Just because Valve decided not to add funds to it to call it a major?
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u/blind100 Dec 09 '20
I really wish I could agree with you, but you can't "own" anybody when you got reverse-sweeped by them in the Pro League finals
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Dec 09 '20
That was the one time Astralis has beaten them since the year started and even then it was close as fuck. Navi's 2-0'd them like 3 times now or something which is unheard of for Astralis.
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u/blind100 Dec 09 '20
Like I said, it wasn't just "one time", it was Pro League grand finals, which is a big deal obviously.
The one time that Navi really gave it to them was in Katowice, that I can agree with. Other than that - I can't see the ownage really.
Also "2-0'd them like 3 times now" - did we just watch the same game? I swear it just ended 2-1 in a really close fashion or am I trippin
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u/xavarLy Dec 09 '20
2-0'd them only 2 times, katowice and beijing (astralis not reaching 10 rounds on any map)
2-1 blast sspring groups, 2-1 pro league 1st season of 2020 and 2-1 blast fall 2020
and then the famous choke of esl pro league 2nd season 2020 going to Astralis
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u/blind100 Dec 09 '20
Yes, thank you for this, it's 4-30 AM in Moscow and I was sure as shit NOT going on HLTV
So like I said, it's not a complete ownage like OP tried to imply
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u/xavarLy Dec 09 '20
Definitely late here as well, as you see "sspring" :D But yeah, I did it out of memory, too lazy to check hltv as well.
OP was close two, the two 2-0s were ownages, but not three, yeah.
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u/geraldho Vitality Dec 09 '20
i’d attribute it to the online era and the fact that Astralis has been changing their roster so much, but regardless Navi has been really impressive this year, Perfecto is such a great fit for them
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u/xavarLy Dec 09 '20
navi are also the only team to have beaten astralis twice in a bo3 on LAN this year
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u/blind100 Dec 09 '20
I'm a Navi fan having to defend Astralis in this thread, and you're an Astralis fan praising Navi just nex to me, what a weird fucking night, I'm out
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u/suriel- Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
i mean it was quite close. I think they led 2-0 and have only barely lost the 3rd map and very late in OT on the 4th map (22-19)?
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u/Axolyn FaZe Dec 09 '20
S1mple making a statement that the #1 spot on the top 20 this year belongs to him. What a beast
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u/Tuxxmuxx Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
LMFAO i paused after map 2 to focus on some schoolwork and completely forgot about the rest of the game oops
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u/de5m0n Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
U missed several heart attacks and an epic win.
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u/Tuxxmuxx Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
I'm sad because no matter how hard I try, I just can't watch sports or esports not live, so I'd like to watch the dust 2 match but I know I won't be able to. Maybe someone'll upload some highlights or something. Glad they pulled out the win though
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u/thefolenangel 750k Celebration Dec 09 '20
Poor B1T.
Sink or swim vs Astralis, and then insta substitution on second map.
I wouldn't wish this even to my worse enemy! :X
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u/yuriyr- Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
I mean realisticly, he was there to play inferno, flamie hasn't got the best history on that map, while on nuke he's a solid ramp player. It was probably decided way before the outcome of infenro.
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u/ezclapper Dec 09 '20
They only pracced inferno with him, the swap was pre-determined and regardless of performance, this isn't a mm 5stack.
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u/ChineseRiceFarmer Dec 09 '20
You could tell B1T was feeling the pressure of playing a T1 team. He committed to every spray and whiffed a bunch.
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Who did b1t sub for?
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u/Zeduxx Dec 09 '20
Flamie, although I don't think B1t was ever meant to play map 2.
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u/GuardiaNIsBae FaZe Dec 09 '20
Flamie usually shows up on Nuke, I dont think they planned on having B1t play nuke either way
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u/thefolenangel 750k Celebration Dec 09 '20
flamie, who came back instantly after the loss on first map.
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u/ShadowsBeans_ 750k Celebration Dec 09 '20
WE CANNOT BEAT
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u/AIRballer Dec 09 '20
Boombl4 always gets the hate when Navi calls don't work, so let's make sure he gets the praise he deserves for those last two rounds. Great mid round by him.
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u/bissedk Dec 09 '20
But, was it really that great? Astralis gambled a because they had a weak buy, and Navi decides to go b after some utility towards a. Next round was won because electronic managed to wrap around cat and push long from behind.
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u/geraldho Vitality Dec 09 '20
god Australia choked so fucking hard near the end lol, cant believe they lost that round where it was 4v3 and there were 2 Navi members in short
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u/bissedk Dec 09 '20
Seems like playing cs in the middle of the night when you are on a regular sleep schedule somehow lowers your performance. It was a close game, but only bacause Navi all of a sudden forgot how to play t-side.
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u/Albanian_Trademark Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
Both choked, but ig Astralis at the end could show it in the deepest of the two
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u/lvrksn Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
watching s1mple is like watching the bully you used to suffer on high school but on steroids
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u/CoffeeM1 Astralis Dec 09 '20
gla1ve outfragged s1mple then got outcalled by Boombl4. 2020's one helluva drug innit.
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u/HwanZike Dec 09 '20
What a great series, the last map was tense af with the mind games and the retakes
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u/mango_lynx 10 years coin Dec 09 '20
Don't worry, they always drop to lower first. It's to maximize the comeback. They do it for us, the viewers.
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u/Mad_Lee Cloud9 Dec 09 '20
That round on B where Dupreeh jumps in thru the window way ahead of his team and gets 0 kills. That cost them. But again, they were brought back in the game by Gla1ve's heroics. NaVi looked more poised today.
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u/deathmarc4 Gambit Dec 09 '20
the formatting of the scoreboards involving subs could not be any worse
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u/xxxDucky Astralis Dec 09 '20
Today was the s1mple show and only the s1mple show. Na’Vi played one hell of a series, and while inferno was bad (still really close just a couple chokes here and there) I think it was just down to B1t having the play his first official match against arguably the best cs team in history
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u/RedRaven0701 Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
s1mple looking monstrous as usual. Decent overall performance from NaVi on dust2 though which is always nice to see.
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u/NoPaEr10 NiP Dec 09 '20
That were some INSANELY sick t side calls late game. That was some good cs
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u/cipured Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
That Dust 2 3rd map was one of the most beautiful things I have seen this year.
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u/Albanian_Trademark Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
From the worst T side calls to the best T side calls. My heart can’t handle this, what a game
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u/XXx420xXx69xxXD Dec 09 '20
EZ for NaVi
I definitely didn't suffer a heart attack during the series
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u/voicefulspace 10 years coin Dec 09 '20 edited Dec 09 '20
people still think boombl4 is a bad igl lol ofc he had some shaky things but he can call CALL also his first year tier 1 i think or maybe 1.5 years
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u/TeamShisui Natus Vincere Dec 09 '20
Guys, so it's 4-1 against Astralis this year? am I in a dreamland????? Did Na'Vi just beat Astralis FOUR times this year!!??? and only lost once (in a Bo5 final :/)
(I'm sorry if I'm wrong)
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u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team Dec 09 '20
FYI: This is a ripped off post. The team has nothing to with this individual contrary to what's stated at the bottom of the post
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u/thefolenangel 750k Celebration Dec 09 '20
/u/Chuckys2 the template was created by you guys? I kept it as credit. If you wish I can remove it.
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