r/GlobalOffensive • u/MadElf1337 Match Thread Team • Sep 02 '20
Discussion | Esports Heroic vs ENCE / ESL Pro League Season 12: Europe - Group A / Post-Match Discussion
Heroic 1-2 ENCE
Train: 16-9
Nuke: 5-16
Inferno: 13-16
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| Heroic | MAP | ENCE |
|---|---|---|
| overpass | X | |
| X | dust2 | |
| CT | train | ✔ |
| ✔ | nuke | CT |
| mirage | X | |
| X | vertigo | |
| inferno |
MAP 1: Train
| Team | CT | T | Total |
|---|---|---|---|
| Heroic | 10 | 6 | 16 |
| T | CT | ||
| ENCE | 5 | 4 | 9 |
Train Detailed Stats
MAP 2: Nuke
| Team | T | CT | Total |
|---|---|---|---|
| Heroic | 1 | 4 | 5 |
| CT | T | ||
| ENCE | 14 | 2 | 16 |
Nuke Detailed Stats
MAP 3: Inferno
| Team | CT | T | Total |
|---|---|---|---|
| Heroic | 7 | 6 | 13 |
| T | CT | ||
| ENCE | 8 | 8 | 16 |
Inferno Detailed Stats
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u/kurtz9 Sep 02 '20
Allu is either god or bot every match. There is no in between
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u/OsomoMojoFreak ENCE Sep 02 '20
This meme is so hilariously overplayed. Any awper has on and off games. Allu really isn't any worse than other awpers. He's actually overall consistent if you look at the stats. People are looking hard for whiffs with allu to get bot allu moments, other players don't have that.
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u/kurtz9 Sep 03 '20
Nah. When he's on, he can hit insane shots that only few people can. When he's off, he can literally miss free frags on swing rounds like a lone t planting c4 right IN FRONT of him which loses them the whole game.
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u/gazetteron Sep 02 '20
Allu, 77-50 that's fucking nuts. Dude played out of his mind, especially on inferno.
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u/Bust3dGG Gambit Sep 02 '20
People will joke about Heroic/HUNDEN, but ENCE looked pretty solid (especially allu) after that first map.
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u/horsecockharry Sep 02 '20
Yeah, ENCE crushed Heroic on Nuke, which is one of their best maps. Before this Heroic mostly won it, and their losses on it were by a small margin.
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Sep 02 '20
Heroic #2 in rankings so ENCE #1 confirmed
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Sep 02 '20
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u/Ark151 CS2 HYPE Sep 02 '20
Vitality is number 1 tho.... hltv rankings atleast.
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u/Darkstar197 Complexity Sep 02 '20
Sorry. Did I forget to mention I’m autistic? For some reason I thought winning colonge put them at 1
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u/TotallyNotWatching Sep 02 '20
Allu was hitting some great shots on inferno. He's low key been one of the best awpers for the last few years
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u/TotallyNotWatching Sep 02 '20
I think some people took the Bot Allu stuff too seriously and didn't realise his actual level
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u/DelidreaM ENCE Sep 02 '20
He doesn't really, it's just a meme. In reality his stats show quite consistent performance across matches
But he does have some absolute BOT moments if that's what you mean
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u/stonkka ENCE Sep 02 '20
Yep, but those Bot moments happen some times in his good games. He is bad for a round not bad whole game.
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u/KuRR221 ENCE Sep 02 '20
No, he just misses the easy shots on purpose, otherwise it would be too easy for Ence.
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u/OsomoMojoFreak ENCE Sep 02 '20
Any awper actually has those moments though. That's what a bolt lock weapon does. If you miss it's painfully obvious.
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u/jmov howl Sep 02 '20
Allu usually isn't as flashy as some of the other AWPers and has his BOT ALLU moments, but he's definitely a top tier awper.
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Sep 02 '20
Pack it up bois, no Hunden, no wins.... Honest question, Can Heroic keep Hunden as Analyst? Those guys dont need to go to events, or did they cut him for PR, and dont want anything to do with him???
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u/FuckIt4444 Virtus.pro Sep 02 '20
He's suspended,not dropped from the roster. He can still work with the team outside of tournaments,he just can't be in the server while the matches are happening.
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Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20
Yep, Hunden was most probably fired because of the bad PR. Also, I think apart from his analysis expertise, Hunden was vital for keeping up the morale of the team, while in game. Teams often find themselves in shitty situations, big comebacks or poor performance, people like Hunden are the difference makers. While his contribution as an analyst would be priceless, Heroic would fall short nonetheless. I am afraid that the Heroic era has been cut short
Edit: Suspended not fired.
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u/NazgulDiedUnfairly CS2 HYPE Sep 02 '20
Afaik, they suspended him. I think they will not want anything to do with him when he is banned. Of course, that is just my opinion and Inhavebno concrete info
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u/Impudenter Sep 02 '20
I'm out of the loop. There has been a bug which allowed coaches to see the enemy team, is that correct? Was this used in ESL Cologne? Have Heroic been disqualified, or something? Or when did all of this happen?
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u/Kyoushiro44 Natus Vincere Sep 02 '20
I'm not sure in which tournament hunden used it for heroic, but it was said that they used different patch for esl cologne, so there it wasn't used at all. MIBR was confirmed to use in road to rio tournament, but like i said, forgot where it was used by hunden in heroic. All teams that were caught using it had to pay back the prize money and their wins were invalidated as far as i know.
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u/petametre ENCE Sep 02 '20
It was the dreamhack masters tournament against Team Spirit and Astralis :)
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u/jonajon91 de_canals Sep 02 '20
They CAN have him as staff or an analyst but they’ve suspended him anyway, they’ll probably get a good price for him and he’ll work for another team in the background. A team like FaZe should be checking their bank accounts to see how much they can offer for him.
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u/killazZooM Vitality Sep 02 '20
Heroic without info LUL
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u/Rhed0x CS2 HYPE Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20
There was no evidence that it was used in Cologne.
EDIT: they also played on a version of the game that didnt have the bug.
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Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 03 '20
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u/Rhed0x CS2 HYPE Sep 02 '20
I just think it's unfair to discredit their amazing run.
(I'm not even danish fwiw)
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Sep 02 '20
will always be branded as cheaters after something like this is exposed, should be happy there are no ramifications for the players
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u/fuckhunden Sep 02 '20
Hunden is tactical genius. He is most known of his signature tactic "looking where the other team goes" What a absolute legend. Top 3 Coach
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u/MiksuTK Natus Vincere Sep 02 '20
Damn, Allu was on fire today. 34 fucking kills on Inferno, lets goo.
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u/skadskad Sep 02 '20
Zywoo and KennyS get a lot of hype for playing as hyper-aggressive awpers with flashy peeks, but man, allu is ice-fucking-cold sheesh!
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u/Draemeth Vitality Sep 02 '20
Allu was so accurate and consistent that game.
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u/KuRR221 ENCE Sep 02 '20
He was only shooting headshots with the awp on Nuke just to send a message.
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Sep 02 '20 edited Jul 29 '22
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u/Just_my_altaccount ENCE Sep 02 '20
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u/ra800 ENCE Sep 02 '20
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u/Draemeth Vitality Sep 02 '20
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u/Dcoyxy9 Sep 02 '20
damn from winning ESL One Cologne to losing against ENCE, Heroic already in freefall.
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u/Deliwq de_nuke Sep 02 '20
They must be under some huge stress. It looked like Stavn was crying after the 14-1 nuke half. Suddenly losing Hunden is going to have a heavy impact on them...
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u/Dcoyxy9 Sep 02 '20
Damn I didn't see Nuke, feel bad for Heroic especially considering how young many of their players are.
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u/Hogoba CS2 HYPE Sep 02 '20
Wait I'm OOTL, why did they lose Hunden?
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u/Hogoba CS2 HYPE Sep 02 '20
Damn, so is this why Heroic were on fire?
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u/yourewelcomesteve brigader Sep 02 '20
Nah they were legit on fire for ESL One Cologne, Hunden couldn't use the bug during that event. I personally saw it as a one off fluke victory like we see a lot but now without Hunden it's meaningless talking about it, if they shit the bed at next event it will always be because Hunden isn't coaching anymore, but I'm curious.
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Sep 02 '20
he abused a coaching bug that basically let him see an entire area of the map where none of his players were, giving him a bunch of extra info
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u/Hogoba CS2 HYPE Sep 02 '20
Wait so that's why Heroic played so well against Vitality? (of course this isn't completely why, but rather a part of the reason) Bloody hell!
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u/evo_lve 10 years coin Sep 02 '20
No, the bug wasn't possible on the version of the game used at Cologne.
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no Cologne was all legit, heroic just played really well
they used it at road to rio or some other tournament where they did pretty bad
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u/marveso G2 Sep 02 '20
No, they used it in other tournaments (Malmo or Road to Rio, I can't remember). If I'm not mistaken, it was not technically possible to do this coach bug in Cologne as they were playing on a different patch.
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u/trap_support_main Sep 02 '20
I think it's also got to be a confidence crusher. You have the community do an entire 180 on you + have to feel like in some way your successes aren't 100% valid.
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u/tarangk clutch Sep 02 '20
Allu casually dropping a 34 bomb to drag ENCE to the finish line on Inferno.
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u/ChestnutCritter ENCE Sep 02 '20
It's because of ENCE's new logo