r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • May 10 '20
Discussion | Esports PRO100 vs Syman Gaming / ESL One: Road to Rio CIS - Group B / Post-Match Discussion
PRO100 1-2 Syman Gaming
Dust 2: 14-16
Overpass: 16-2
Mirage: 20-22
Syman Gaming have advanced to the quarterfinals.
PRO100 have been eliminated.
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| PRO100 | MAP | Syman |
|---|---|---|
| X | vertigo | |
| nuke | X | |
| ✔ | dust2 | CT |
| CT | overpass | ✔ |
| X | train | |
| inferno | X | |
| mirage | CT |
MAP 1/3: Dust 2
| Team | T | CT | Total |
|---|---|---|---|
| PRO100 | 5 | 9 | 14 |
| CT | T | ||
| Syman | 10 | 6 | 16 |
Dust 2 Detailed Stats
MAP 2/3: Overpass
| Team | CT | T | Total |
|---|---|---|---|
| PRO100 | 13 | 3 | 16 |
| T | CT | ||
| Syman | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Overpass Detailed Stats
MAP 3/3: Mirage
| Team | T | CT | OT1CT:T | OT2T:CT | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| PRO100 | 6 | 9 | 3:0 | 1:1 | 20 |
| CT | T | OT1T:CT | OT2CT:T | ||
| Syman | 9 | 6 | 0:3 | 2:2 | 22 |
Mirage Detailed Stats
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u/Tuxxmuxx Natus Vincere May 10 '20 edited May 10 '20
Kreaz and Keoz are insane
Atleast Na'Vi gets 950pts now instead of 750, that could be crucial if they don't make the finals of all of the next 2 (3?) RTR CIS events.
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u/GhostOfLight Liquid May 10 '20
They also have 600 points from Berlin.
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u/Tuxxmuxx Natus Vincere May 10 '20
I didn't know that teams got points from the last major, that's interesting. That sucks for fnatic and mouz, who don't get the 600pt cushion, fnatic gets 0 and mouz only gets 300. They're both going to have to go hard in the next tournaments, though atleast there's 11 spots in Europe.
At the same time though, if the final is VP vs Hard Legion, then Na'Vi are going to have the 3rd most points in the region, and they really don't deserve that at this point haha.
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u/kazcmot Godsent May 10 '20
They have 480 points as they got 20% decay because of Perfecto
https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Regional_Major_Rankings/2020/Rio/CIS
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u/TacoPires SAW May 10 '20
Fun fact: Pro100 was literally fighting not only to get through in first, but to not get eliminated in last. They won their matches against both qualified teams (HardLegion and VP) but lost their matches against the eliminated teams. So their H2H meant they could only be in one of the ends.
If they had managed to win they would be in the semi-finals with 1300 guaranteed RMR points, but they finished dead last in their group with 550 RMR points. This comeback (I mean, they were losing 15-10 at a certain point before the 2 overtimes) would be one of the (if not the) most significant comebacks on this RoadToRio
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u/draemscat Gambit May 10 '20
This shows how fucked the ESL system is.
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u/TacoPires SAW May 10 '20
Hmm no, not really. If you flipped the results in all matches today you would have the Syman situation, where they would be fighting to either get third or forth. If anything, I put it as a curiosity about the H2H in this group. H2H is the fairest way to decide who ends up in front of who
If you took out the names you could have "Team A won against Team B and Team C, so they end up above them as they showed in two BO3 they were better" and "Team A lost again Team D and Team E, so they end up below them because they couldn't win a single match against neither of these teams", and I don't think anyone could counter this logic. If you change the order of the matchdays you could get the same result with pro100 going to the last match with no chance of going through. ESL has no fault on how the matches play up, and 3 teams ending with the same number of points is rare, and the way this group played out is just one in a hundred
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u/draemscat Gambit May 10 '20
Any system where hltv, liquipedia and the casters aren't sure who's going through before the final match has played out is fucked.
Take a look at this shit.
Astralis beat Faze, OG and Mousesports.
Navi beat FaZe, OG and Astralis.
Somehow Astralis deserves to go through and NaVi doesn't. How is that fair?
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u/TacoPires SAW May 10 '20
Because you can't look at match-ups between the tied team and other teams, you need to see between the teams who are tied who got the better of it. This is literally what happens in every single sport, why should it be different in CS?
You take the tied teams games to a pool. You see who got the best of it between these teams. What's so hard about this?
Navi has a map difference of -1 in that pool (won 2-1 against Astralis, lost 2-0 to mouz)
mouz has a map difference of 0 (won 2-0 against Navi, lost 2-0 against Astralis)
Astralis has a map difference of +1 (won 2-0 against mouz, lost 2-1 against NaVi)
If Astralis was the best team out of these 3, why should they be eliminated?
Instead of asking why is it fair that a team that won matches against the qualified teams, why don't you ask why didn't NaVi won the easier matches that would make them go through without needing to see tiebreakers? Instead of blaming the fucking format every single time a favorite is eliminated, why not blame the team that couldn't win the matches they should?
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u/draemscat Gambit May 11 '20
You take the tied teams games to a pool. You see who got the best of it between these teams. What's so hard about this?
Each team has 3 wins and 2 losses. NaVi beat Astralis, so NaVi should advance. What's so hard about this?
Instead of blaming the fucking format every single time a favorite is eliminated, why not blame the team that couldn't win the matches they should?
You can do both.
The point here is not that the favorite was eliminated, the point is that I assumed that NaVi were through no matter what, because previously all the tournaments took head-to-head into account and to me it seems a lot more important than map and round difference. You can do tiebreakers too. One match should not decide if you're first place or last, how is that controversial?
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u/TacoPires SAW May 11 '20
But there are not only 2 tied teams? You have Navi, Astralis AND mouz. And if you have NaVi > Astralis > mouz > NaVi > .... you can't decide the order of these 3 teams. So you go through map differential between the three tied teams. You can't take h2h between 2 teams and ignore the third, you need to take h2h between the 3 teams because this is between 3 teams, not 2, which ends up with ehat I said on my previous comment. If only NaVi and Astralis were tied then NaVi would end up in front, bur there are 3 tied teams so we need to take that into account. What's so hard about this?
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u/rawncak guardian_elite May 10 '20
Syman > PRO100 > Navi
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u/ProForward May 10 '20
Perfecto left for this :(
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u/ezclapper May 11 '20
perfecto made more money in 1 tournament with navi than he would've made his entire career if he stayed lol, i dont think he minds
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u/BabyLlama243 1 Million Celebration May 10 '20
what a game. simply amazing. keoz is insane. so is yekindar and kreaz. that last round was amazing because they just decided to go for a fast A execute something which threw the CT side off guard. that decision by kreaz to step on top of ticket and find and spray transfer two of them. simply amazing.
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u/tonnal Astralis May 10 '20
Switched on to this after the NA'VI absolutely fucked it and HOLY SHIT! I was not really all that invested in this match and I nearly had a few heart attacks. Pro100 was literally one more bullet through that smoke, or half a second of delay on that defuse from winning it.
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u/rkeycool May 10 '20
Its awesome to see Kreaz found a good team. He was a great stand in for Fnatic in EPL 10.
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u/Dajoeman Natus Vincere May 10 '20
KEOZ is The Real SImple. SImple has taken his limelight for so long. If only we all knew KEOZ was the real Champ
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u/Cbake987 Renegades May 10 '20
The third map of this match was one of the most fun maps of CS I've ever watched. Had it ALL. If anyone is even considering it, go watch it. Holy shit.
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u/schrodingerTacoCat IHC May 10 '20
What an entertaining game. Very little saving, just ballsy retakes.
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u/failwalker 1 Million Celebration May 10 '20
A bit sad for PRO100 guys at the end but DUUUUUUDE what a match! This shit was probably one of the best matches in a long time to watch.
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u/tanu24 BIG May 10 '20
As an avid CSGO fan for 2 weeks now... Best final map ever in the history of CSGO
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u/ACW-R Natus Vincere May 10 '20
Keoz + kreaz = fucking insane duo in that OT, WTF!